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> The official US government definition of broadband is 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. Seriously? That's a broadband definition of 20 years ago. When ADSL was intro

by ezoe 7y ago

> The official US government definition of broadband is 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. Seriously? That's a broadband definition of 20 years ago. When ADSL was introduced. But now is the optic fiber era. My guts feeling definition is at least 100Mbps both way simultaneously. I'm enjoying consistent 400Mbps at daylight, 300Mbps at night.

paulddraper 7y ago
Honest question: What...on...earth...could you possibly do with that? I have 50Mbps and feel like that's kind of absurd. Netflix recommends 25Mbps for streaming 4K video. [1] So....streaming a dozen 4K movies simultaneously? Sub-minute downloads of entire OS images? [2] [1] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 [2] https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/#ubuntu-19-04-vbox https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/#ubuntu-19-04-vbox
- kingludite 7y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5y4ysq/largest_torrent_you_have_ever_seendownloadedseeded/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5y4ysq/largest... And you can load news websites that "need" 2000 assets in less than 2 minutes. I think that is mostly it, so that you can suffer more advertisement in higher resolution.
- beauzero 7y ago
  RDP works better for one. I regularly connect with my phone because my 4G connection is better. Out of 4 people in our house 3 work remotely. One requires HD quality upload throughout the day. DSL took a complaint to the FCC to get hooked up. We are about 40 minutes drive from the Atlanta airport about 15 yards from a rural 2 lane "highway"...the State of Georgia's designation not ours. My mother lives on a reservation in Montana, where nobody thought it was profitable to purchase the co-op...they have 100Mbps vs. our 12-15Mbps in ground.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    That makes sense. IDK how RDP performs, but high res, low compression video could theoretically consume a hundred Mbps.
- Lammy 7y ago
  Few people can guess what high-bandwidth experiences might catch on once more people have connections that can enable them
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    Ah, ads.
- ezoe 7y ago
  Not much. I can download most games from Steam in a few minutes. I can download twice a year Ubuntu upgrade very fast. Aside that, I can satisfy 100Mbps bandwidth.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    > Steam Granted, that would be nice. I avoid anything requiring an reinstall like the plague for this very reason.
- LinuxBender 7y ago
  It depends on how many people are in your household. Even with really good traffic shaping, 100mb/s can be a problem if there are 3+ people these days. Game downloads/updates, movies, file transfers, combine that with game consoles moving away from storing data locally, cloud services, real time coms such as ssh/rdp. One person can chew up that bw at times and affect others in the household trying to do voice chat or gaming. In addition to this, not everyone is doing bbr+fq_codel or cake traffic shaping, so they need the burst overhead capacity. Even those using fq_codel seldom have the right options set. And even then, most consumer routers have low end cpu's and barely any L1/L2 cache. HTB adds a lot of context switching on the router. If you hit the buffer on your cable modem or CMTS, then real time applications get a lot of jitter. The other issue is the mix of operating systems in the household. Not every OS may be doing fair congestion control or even support/enable ECN. Not every consumer modem supports ECN properly.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    Traffic shaping, congestion control, etc. is irrelevant to my question though. My question was not how well a full pipe is handled, but What can you even possibly fill it up with?

by ezoe 7y ago

paulddraper 7y ago

Honest question: What...on...earth...could you possibly do with that? I have 50Mbps and feel like that's kind of absurd. Netflix recommends 25Mbps for streaming 4K video. [1] So....streaming a dozen 4K movies simultaneously? Sub-minute downloads of entire OS images? [2] [1] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 [2] https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/#ubuntu-19-04-vbox https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/#ubuntu-19-04-vbox

kingludite 7y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5y4ysq/largest_torrent_you_have_ever_seendownloadedseeded/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5y4ysq/largest... And you can load news websites that "need" 2000 assets in less than 2 minutes. I think that is mostly it, so that you can suffer more advertisement in higher resolution.
beauzero 7y ago
RDP works better for one. I regularly connect with my phone because my 4G connection is better. Out of 4 people in our house 3 work remotely. One requires HD quality upload throughout the day. DSL took a complaint to the FCC to get hooked up. We are about 40 minutes drive from the Atlanta airport about 15 yards from a rural 2 lane "highway"...the State of Georgia's designation not ours. My mother lives on a reservation in Montana, where nobody thought it was profitable to purchase the co-op...they have 100Mbps vs. our 12-15Mbps in ground.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  That makes sense. IDK how RDP performs, but high res, low compression video could theoretically consume a hundred Mbps.
Lammy 7y ago
Few people can guess what high-bandwidth experiences might catch on once more people have connections that can enable them
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Ah, ads.
ezoe 7y ago
Not much. I can download most games from Steam in a few minutes. I can download twice a year Ubuntu upgrade very fast. Aside that, I can satisfy 100Mbps bandwidth.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  > Steam Granted, that would be nice. I avoid anything requiring an reinstall like the plague for this very reason.
LinuxBender 7y ago
It depends on how many people are in your household. Even with really good traffic shaping, 100mb/s can be a problem if there are 3+ people these days. Game downloads/updates, movies, file transfers, combine that with game consoles moving away from storing data locally, cloud services, real time coms such as ssh/rdp. One person can chew up that bw at times and affect others in the household trying to do voice chat or gaming. In addition to this, not everyone is doing bbr+fq_codel or cake traffic shaping, so they need the burst overhead capacity. Even those using fq_codel seldom have the right options set. And even then, most consumer routers have low end cpu's and barely any L1/L2 cache. HTB adds a lot of context switching on the router. If you hit the buffer on your cable modem or CMTS, then real time applications get a lot of jitter. The other issue is the mix of operating systems in the household. Not every OS may be doing fair congestion control or even support/enable ECN. Not every consumer modem supports ECN properly.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Traffic shaping, congestion control, etc. is irrelevant to my question though. My question was not how well a full pipe is handled, but What can you even possibly fill it up with?