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Been illegal here in Queensland, Australia for quite some time now.

Joakal 7y ago
Cats are legal to own. They get shelter, clean food and water including medical care. In fact people release cats into wild when they don't want to care for them leading to a lot of wildcats. While some places forbid cats going outside and encourage desexing, all this doesn't help the disadvantaged wildlife. Cats should be banned. Why not legalize ownership of domesticated native animals such as koalas for example? Boom to tourism, culture and wildlife. Lots of funds can go to welfare of wildlife instead of foreign animals. What happens to domesticated koalas being released by people who dont want to care for them? A lot of wild koalas.
- BasicObject 7y ago
  It's so sad you're being downvoted because you're right. Cats are destroying many of the world's ecosystems and cats owners and stray feeders are to blame.
  - LocalH 7y ago
    Do you want a plague? Because that's how you get a plague
    - BasicObject 7y ago
      Care to explain why? Just curious.
- flukus 7y ago
  Taking a native animal and locking them in a back yard doesn't make them domesticated. Dogs and cats (to a lesser extent) co-evolved with humans over thousands of years and can even be seen as a partnership. Koalas in particular would make terrible pets, they need a lot of space for multiple Eucalyptus trees to keep them fed because they're stupid to recognize fresh leaves pulled off a tree from leaves still attached to a tree, they can be very aggressive, they piss everywhere and thanks to their diet it's got an extremely strong smell. And to top it all off this smelly piss can transmit the chlamydia that they are widely suffering from to humans. Outdoor cats should be banned but they aren't going to be replaced by Koalas any time soon.
  - Joakal 7y ago
    Wild animal babies are rescued all the time. Fed and returned to wild. That's a potential source. But it will still take time but possible, an example I've followed are siberian foxes. Who expects an adult koala born in a backyard to suddenly be domesticated? I expect domestication of a wild adult koala to be the same as domesticating an adult wildcat. Very difficult despite "thousands of years of existing with humans" I don't think koalas need the space. We're certainly not giving cats and dogs lots of room with chickens for them to feed on. We've been giving them dry and canned food. Another example are horses who eat hay are often in the barn. There's not much funding for Chlamydia or similar health issues they have because the funding relies on government and people goodwill. If over a million koalas are owned by people, a lot of people would pay for medical solutions for their ill family members. Average population just doesnt have the same goodwill towards wild animals.
    - flukus 7y ago
      > I don't think koalas need the space. We're certainly not giving cats and dogs lots of room with chickens for them to feed on. We've been giving them dry and canned food. Another example are horses who eat hay are often in the barn. The need the space for the trees, they need the trees because they simply won't eat from non-fresh sources. Buying food from the shop like we do for cats and dogs is simply not an option. > I expect domestication of a wild adult koala to be the same as domesticating an adult wildcat Why would you expect that given the wildly different starting points? Wildcats are somewhat generalist carnivorous pack animals, quite similar to our selves and species that have been (debatably) domesticated before. Koalas are hyper specialized and very stupid herbivores with no domesticated relatives. There are many species on earth but very few of them are suitable for domestication, especially domestication in modern urban environments.
Smoosh 7y ago
It is illegal in all of Australia, and also in: England Scotland Wales Italy Austria Switzerland Norway Sweden Ireland Denmark Finland Slovenia Brazil New Zealand Serbia Montenegro Macedonia Slovenia France Germany Bosnia Malta Netherlands Northern Ireland Portugal Belgium Israel According to this webpage: https://www.declawing.com/countries-that-outlaw-declawing https://www.declawing.com/countries-that-outlaw-declawing
- jaclaz 7y ago
  More generally, every EU country that subscribed the Convention of Strasbourg of 13/11/1987 and converted it in national Law. [PDF]: https://rm.coe.int/168007a67d https://rm.coe.int/168007a67d Article 10 – Surgical operations 1 Surgical operations for the purpose of modifying the appearance of a pet animal or for other non-curative purposes shall be prohibited and, in particular: a the docking of tails; b the cropping of ears; c devocalisation; d declawing and defanging; 2 Exceptions to these prohibitions shall be permitted only: a if a veterinarian considers non-curative procedures necessary either for veterinary medical reasons or for the benefit of any particular animal; b to prevent reproduction.

Cats are legal to own. They get shelter, clean food and water including medical care. In fact people release cats into wild when they don't want to care for them leading to a lot of wildcats. While some places forbid cats going outside and encourage desexing, all this doesn't help the disadvantaged wildlife. Cats should be banned. Why not legalize ownership of domesticated native animals such as koalas for example? Boom to tourism, culture and wildlife. Lots of funds can go to welfare of wildlife instead of foreign animals. What happens to domesticated koalas being released by people who dont want to care for them? A lot of wild koalas.

BasicObject 7y ago
It's so sad you're being downvoted because you're right. Cats are destroying many of the world's ecosystems and cats owners and stray feeders are to blame.
- LocalH 7y ago
  Do you want a plague? Because that's how you get a plague
  - BasicObject 7y ago
    Care to explain why? Just curious.
flukus 7y ago
Taking a native animal and locking them in a back yard doesn't make them domesticated. Dogs and cats (to a lesser extent) co-evolved with humans over thousands of years and can even be seen as a partnership. Koalas in particular would make terrible pets, they need a lot of space for multiple Eucalyptus trees to keep them fed because they're stupid to recognize fresh leaves pulled off a tree from leaves still attached to a tree, they can be very aggressive, they piss everywhere and thanks to their diet it's got an extremely strong smell. And to top it all off this smelly piss can transmit the chlamydia that they are widely suffering from to humans. Outdoor cats should be banned but they aren't going to be replaced by Koalas any time soon.
- Joakal 7y ago
  Wild animal babies are rescued all the time. Fed and returned to wild. That's a potential source. But it will still take time but possible, an example I've followed are siberian foxes. Who expects an adult koala born in a backyard to suddenly be domesticated? I expect domestication of a wild adult koala to be the same as domesticating an adult wildcat. Very difficult despite "thousands of years of existing with humans" I don't think koalas need the space. We're certainly not giving cats and dogs lots of room with chickens for them to feed on. We've been giving them dry and canned food. Another example are horses who eat hay are often in the barn. There's not much funding for Chlamydia or similar health issues they have because the funding relies on government and people goodwill. If over a million koalas are owned by people, a lot of people would pay for medical solutions for their ill family members. Average population just doesnt have the same goodwill towards wild animals.
  - flukus 7y ago
    > I don't think koalas need the space. We're certainly not giving cats and dogs lots of room with chickens for them to feed on. We've been giving them dry and canned food. Another example are horses who eat hay are often in the barn. The need the space for the trees, they need the trees because they simply won't eat from non-fresh sources. Buying food from the shop like we do for cats and dogs is simply not an option. > I expect domestication of a wild adult koala to be the same as domesticating an adult wildcat Why would you expect that given the wildly different starting points? Wildcats are somewhat generalist carnivorous pack animals, quite similar to our selves and species that have been (debatably) domesticated before. Koalas are hyper specialized and very stupid herbivores with no domesticated relatives. There are many species on earth but very few of them are suitable for domestication, especially domestication in modern urban environments.

Smoosh 7y ago

It is illegal in all of Australia, and also in: England Scotland Wales Italy Austria Switzerland Norway Sweden Ireland Denmark Finland Slovenia Brazil New Zealand Serbia Montenegro Macedonia Slovenia France Germany Bosnia Malta Netherlands Northern Ireland Portugal Belgium Israel According to this webpage: https://www.declawing.com/countries-that-outlaw-declawing https://www.declawing.com/countries-that-outlaw-declawing

jaclaz 7y ago
More generally, every EU country that subscribed the Convention of Strasbourg of 13/11/1987 and converted it in national Law. [PDF]: https://rm.coe.int/168007a67d https://rm.coe.int/168007a67d Article 10 – Surgical operations 1 Surgical operations for the purpose of modifying the appearance of a pet animal or for other non-curative purposes shall be prohibited and, in particular: a the docking of tails; b the cropping of ears; c devocalisation; d declawing and defanging; 2 Exceptions to these prohibitions shall be permitted only: a if a veterinarian considers non-curative procedures necessary either for veterinary medical reasons or for the benefit of any particular animal; b to prevent reproduction.