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You could make the rational (but... somewhat outrage-triggering) argument that it's cognitively-dissonant to both believe that teens cannot consent to sex with

You could make the rational (but... somewhat outrage-triggering) argument that it's cognitively-dissonant to both believe that teens cannot consent to sex with an adult but they CAN consent to a far more permanent and invasive gender change performed by adults (I just googled; hormone-blocking treatment usually begins at puberty onset) And you could (probably) rationally argue against that argument Or you could just deplatform anyone making the original argument against it and accomplish nothing

DanBC 7y ago
You didn't google hard enough: treatment at puberty would be hormone blockers, which are reversible.
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  Not quite. There's recent studies on both genders finding lasting effects of pre-pubescent hormone blockers on brain development, memory, and IQ. Brain plasticity drops significantly with age, so any recovery in that department if and when a decision to reverse is made is diminished. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=11683207 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetail... https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00044/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.0004...
  - pmarreck 7y ago
    And this is how one rationally debates a potentially inflammatory topic without deplatforming anyone. By sticking close to the available evidence and using careful reasoning.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    you've failed to address "reverisble", because none of your links look at that.
- pmarreck 7y ago
  I had a comment here but the other response covered it better... basically, the reversibility of hormone-blocking on a rapidly-changing, rapidly-growing brain and body responding to said hormones are not nearly as possible as you think. I'm not saying it might not result in some interesting people that might have interesting perspectives on things that might contribute to society positively; just saying that a "complete undo" is strictly incorrect
  - DanBC 7y ago
    I notice you don't mention any other medication used in children. You only speak about meds used by trans children. Your concern about medication side effects would appear more genuine if you also mentioned the range of medication used by all children where we don't know the mechanism of action nor the long term side effects. This dishonesty, BTW, is why people don't bother discussing it with you.
    - pmarreck 7y ago
      Just because I didn't also mention the range of medication used by all children does not mean I would not promote exercising (extreme) caution there, too! In fact I believe administering ADD drugs to anyone below 18 should only be resorted to in the most extreme circumstances. Not mentioning it doesn't mean I don't believe it as well and doesn't mean I'm being dishonest. It just means I omitted it. My worldview is as internally-consistent as I can make it!!

DanBC 7y ago

You didn't google hard enough: treatment at puberty would be hormone blockers, which are reversible.

drak0n1c 7y ago
Not quite. There's recent studies on both genders finding lasting effects of pre-pubescent hormone blockers on brain development, memory, and IQ. Brain plasticity drops significantly with age, so any recovery in that department if and when a decision to reverse is made is diminished. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=11683207 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetail... https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00044/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.0004...
- pmarreck 7y ago
  And this is how one rationally debates a potentially inflammatory topic without deplatforming anyone. By sticking close to the available evidence and using careful reasoning.
- DanBC 7y ago
  you've failed to address "reverisble", because none of your links look at that.
pmarreck 7y ago
I had a comment here but the other response covered it better... basically, the reversibility of hormone-blocking on a rapidly-changing, rapidly-growing brain and body responding to said hormones are not nearly as possible as you think. I'm not saying it might not result in some interesting people that might have interesting perspectives on things that might contribute to society positively; just saying that a "complete undo" is strictly incorrect
- DanBC 7y ago
  I notice you don't mention any other medication used in children. You only speak about meds used by trans children. Your concern about medication side effects would appear more genuine if you also mentioned the range of medication used by all children where we don't know the mechanism of action nor the long term side effects. This dishonesty, BTW, is why people don't bother discussing it with you.
  - pmarreck 7y ago
    Just because I didn't also mention the range of medication used by all children does not mean I would not promote exercising (extreme) caution there, too! In fact I believe administering ADD drugs to anyone below 18 should only be resorted to in the most extreme circumstances. Not mentioning it doesn't mean I don't believe it as well and doesn't mean I'm being dishonest. It just means I omitted it. My worldview is as internally-consistent as I can make it!!