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I'm realt glad this story is getting told. Bumping up against Google's machine-enforced, unfair rules is easier to do honestly than you may think — and it's a t

by alanh 16y ago

I'm realt glad this story is getting told. Bumping up against Google's machine-enforced, unfair rules is easier to do honestly than you may think — and it's a terribly cold, hopeless, impersonal, recourseless, unfair experience. Imagine 1950s automatons running a bureaucracy. It's like that. «I'm-sorry-sir-my-programming-indicates-you-are-a-fraudulent-user.» From TFA: I also spent a lot of time on line finding out why people get thrown out of the Adsense scheme and discovered that Google has three sets of rules you can break: 1. The ones in the very long contract that I confess I did not read very carefully 2. The rules that they try to explain in their many pages of Questions and Answers and FAQs 3. The rules they do not tell you about because they are secret and deal with their algorithms

kjksf 16y ago
You claim that rules are "unfair" but don't provide a standard of fairness you're using or any evidence to support your claim. You claim it's easy to violate the rules honestly. You do not provide any evidence for that claim. In this particular case the guy admits to violating the rules by encouraging his visitors to click on ads. I think he was treated very fairly: his account was suspended, just like accounts of other people who do click fraud.
- alanh 16y ago
  I could share anecdotes but don't want to get into it, and you're busy blaming the victim anyway.
  - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
    I for one would be interested in hearing more, if you want to share.
    - dfabulich 16y ago
      OK, here's an anecdote. http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/08/were-banned-from-google-adsense/ http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/08/were-banned-from-g... We're a game website -- auto-banned, appeal denied. We've done nothing wrong that we know of. Never encouraged clicking, never clicked ourselves. Since we have no access to the data, we'll never know what might have happened. One strike -- you're banned for life. I'll be at Google IO this year; my top priority is to find someone to talk to about this. I know people say it's impossible to get unbanned, but I can't believe that's true. I'm going to keep trying, for years if I have to.
      - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
        As far as I can tell, you're ranking fine in Google's search results. You show up for your company's name and other queries, and I don't see any manual spam actions regarding choiceofgames.com. From the blog post you mention, it sounds like your issue is with AdSense. I'm not on that side of the company, so I'm not sure how much assistance I can help with. I can drop an email to some folks in AdSense, but that doesn't guarantee anything of course, and I suspect they're on vacation this weekend. I'll still try to send an email though.
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  his account was suspended OP's last communication from Google (emphasis added): However, after thoroughly re-reviewing your account data and taking your feedback into consideration, our specialists have confirmed that we're unable to reinstate your AdSense account. You have made a lot of emphatic assertions on this thread, and I think many of them are wrong. Here you complain about a lack of evidence but then immediately misstate the facts. Please reconsider your approach.

by alanh 16y ago

kjksf 16y ago

You claim that rules are "unfair" but don't provide a standard of fairness you're using or any evidence to support your claim. You claim it's easy to violate the rules honestly. You do not provide any evidence for that claim. In this particular case the guy admits to violating the rules by encouraging his visitors to click on ads. I think he was treated very fairly: his account was suspended, just like accounts of other people who do click fraud.

alanh 16y ago
I could share anecdotes but don't want to get into it, and you're busy blaming the victim anyway.
- Matt_Cutts 16y ago
  I for one would be interested in hearing more, if you want to share.
  - dfabulich 16y ago
    OK, here's an anecdote. http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/08/were-banned-from-google-adsense/ http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/08/were-banned-from-g... We're a game website -- auto-banned, appeal denied. We've done nothing wrong that we know of. Never encouraged clicking, never clicked ourselves. Since we have no access to the data, we'll never know what might have happened. One strike -- you're banned for life. I'll be at Google IO this year; my top priority is to find someone to talk to about this. I know people say it's impossible to get unbanned, but I can't believe that's true. I'm going to keep trying, for years if I have to.
    - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
      As far as I can tell, you're ranking fine in Google's search results. You show up for your company's name and other queries, and I don't see any manual spam actions regarding choiceofgames.com. From the blog post you mention, it sounds like your issue is with AdSense. I'm not on that side of the company, so I'm not sure how much assistance I can help with. I can drop an email to some folks in AdSense, but that doesn't guarantee anything of course, and I suspect they're on vacation this weekend. I'll still try to send an email though.
anigbrowl 16y ago
his account was suspended OP's last communication from Google (emphasis added): However, after thoroughly re-reviewing your account data and taking your feedback into consideration, our specialists have confirmed that we're unable to reinstate your AdSense account. You have made a lot of emphatic assertions on this thread, and I think many of them are wrong. Here you complain about a lack of evidence but then immediately misstate the facts. Please reconsider your approach.