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By that logic, TSA actually makes people less safe by causing people to take long dangerous road trips over safe flights.

by maeon3 16y ago

daniel-cussen 16y ago
That's exactly right.
Symmetry 16y ago
Yes, the TSA's policies cause somewhere on the order of 100 extra road deaths each year.
- skymt 16y ago
  If you have a source for that number, I'd love to spread it around. Edit: I found a paper from 2007 that claims there were 129 extra driving fatalities in the last quarter of 2002 due to harsher airport security. http://aem.cornell.edu/faculty_sites/gb78/wp/JLE_6301.pdf http://aem.cornell.edu/faculty_sites/gb78/wp/JLE_6301.pdf (page 27)
  - paulgerhardt 16y ago
    And another 1,200 more deaths than expected in the three months following 9/11: http://ur.umich.edu/0405/Nov22_04/09.shtml http://ur.umich.edu/0405/Nov22_04/09.shtml Or that backscatter X-ray machines odds of giving you cancer are roughly equal to those of dying in a terrorist attack: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/16/5477568-are-airport-x-ray-scanners-harmful http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/16/5477568-are-...
  - Symmetry 16y ago
    Yes, and I've also seen 150 road deaths on one http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/5288-tsa-freedom-grope-may-lead-to-highway-fatalities http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/... and 190.7 deaths via all TSA causes in another that even includes methodoloty http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2010/11/24/do-the-tsa-new-ait-body-scanners-hurt-more-than-they-help/ http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2010/11/24/do-the-tsa-new... The bias of those sources might skew their results, but I really doubt the number is less than 50, hence my use of "on the order of".
BrandonM 16y ago
You've managed to stumble across Hacker News meme #17.
- Freebytes 16y ago
  Until a problem is fixed, it is acceptable to communicate with solutions. (And if a problem remains unfixed after suitable solutions are offered, it is further acceptable to complain about it.)
  - BrandonM 16y ago
    I think my comment was misinterpreted by some. I don't disagree with his statement or with him saying it on Hacker News. I find it interesting that memes appear everywhere, even on sites that think they are "above them." Another example of a Hacker News meme is the phrase "Cargo Cult X." I've noticed others, but I can't recall them right now.

By that logic, TSA actually makes people less safe by causing people to take long dangerous road trips over safe flights.

by maeon3 16y ago

By that logic, TSA actually makes people less safe by causing people to take long dangerous road trips over safe flights.

daniel-cussen 16y ago

That's exactly right.

Symmetry 16y ago

Yes, the TSA's policies cause somewhere on the order of 100 extra road deaths each year.

skymt 16y ago
If you have a source for that number, I'd love to spread it around. Edit: I found a paper from 2007 that claims there were 129 extra driving fatalities in the last quarter of 2002 due to harsher airport security. http://aem.cornell.edu/faculty_sites/gb78/wp/JLE_6301.pdf http://aem.cornell.edu/faculty_sites/gb78/wp/JLE_6301.pdf (page 27)
- paulgerhardt 16y ago
  And another 1,200 more deaths than expected in the three months following 9/11: http://ur.umich.edu/0405/Nov22_04/09.shtml http://ur.umich.edu/0405/Nov22_04/09.shtml Or that backscatter X-ray machines odds of giving you cancer are roughly equal to those of dying in a terrorist attack: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/16/5477568-are-airport-x-ray-scanners-harmful http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/16/5477568-are-...
- Symmetry 16y ago
  Yes, and I've also seen 150 road deaths on one http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/5288-tsa-freedom-grope-may-lead-to-highway-fatalities http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/... and 190.7 deaths via all TSA causes in another that even includes methodoloty http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2010/11/24/do-the-tsa-new-ait-body-scanners-hurt-more-than-they-help/ http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2010/11/24/do-the-tsa-new... The bias of those sources might skew their results, but I really doubt the number is less than 50, hence my use of "on the order of".

BrandonM 16y ago

You've managed to stumble across Hacker News meme #17.

Freebytes 16y ago
Until a problem is fixed, it is acceptable to communicate with solutions. (And if a problem remains unfixed after suitable solutions are offered, it is further acceptable to complain about it.)
- BrandonM 16y ago
  I think my comment was misinterpreted by some. I don't disagree with his statement or with him saying it on Hacker News. I find it interesting that memes appear everywhere, even on sites that think they are "above them." Another example of a Hacker News meme is the phrase "Cargo Cult X." I've noticed others, but I can't recall them right now.