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I think problem is not in immigration but in type of immigration.So it would be nice not to stop by just say immigrants founded companies.It should be examined

by lukaa 7y ago

I think problem is not in immigration but in type of immigration.So it would be nice not to stop by just say immigrants founded companies.It should be examined how many of that immigrants are highly educated and have parents like that and how many just enter USA in uncotrolled immigration.

shados 7y ago
I remember one of the first time the company I work for had a "First gen in tech" event. We had a funny discussion about how, technically, I was part of the target audience. I'm as much of a white western dude as they come, but I'm technically on a green card, my parents are not in the US, I'm the first of my family to be in tech. Checks all the boxes. In practice I'm definitely NOT the kind of person these things are aimed at. Being a white Canadian dude who just moved a few hours south because the job market was more interesting isn't exactly a life changing experience or even challenging. Still, if I founded a company, I'd be on that list. Worse, if my children were to found a company, they'd be on that list too, even though they wouldn't have an ounce of hardship (at least from birth situation) or diversity in their bones.
- jdavis703 7y ago
  That's fine, you're still a valid part of the immigration discussion. For example as an American when I go to Canada I get more hassle than when I'm in Europe. If anything I'd assume it would be easier to go between Canada and the U.S. which are a lot more culturally similar than say Germany and France.
  - shados 7y ago
    Fascinating. Ill admit I've never traveled to Europe. What part is easier? My wife (an American citizen) has gone to Canada fairly frequently and clearing the custom is a quick formality. My narrow minded self can only imagine that short of not having a customs at all, it can't get a whole lot easier.
    - jdavis703 7y ago
      In Europe it's one or two questions (e.g. "how long are you staying?" and "why are you coming here?"). In Canada it's dozens of questions for 5-10 minutes. TBH as an American the same thing happened whenever I came back home to the US so who knows maybe I'm on some kind of list. At least in the US it's stopped now that I have Global Entry.
Merrill 7y ago
I would expect that the type of immigrants who typically enjoy lots of economic success are from middle to upper socioeconomic groups with cultural values that encourage discipline, hard work and getting ahead. In many cases it appears that children that succeed are from success oriented immigrant groups that maintain cultural cohesion in the US. Cultural cohesion is difficult to maintain through the second and third generation amid the corrosive effects of US mass culture. Nobel prize winners show the same pattern.

by lukaa 7y ago

shados 7y ago

I remember one of the first time the company I work for had a "First gen in tech" event. We had a funny discussion about how, technically, I was part of the target audience. I'm as much of a white western dude as they come, but I'm technically on a green card, my parents are not in the US, I'm the first of my family to be in tech. Checks all the boxes. In practice I'm definitely NOT the kind of person these things are aimed at. Being a white Canadian dude who just moved a few hours south because the job market was more interesting isn't exactly a life changing experience or even challenging. Still, if I founded a company, I'd be on that list. Worse, if my children were to found a company, they'd be on that list too, even though they wouldn't have an ounce of hardship (at least from birth situation) or diversity in their bones.

jdavis703 7y ago
That's fine, you're still a valid part of the immigration discussion. For example as an American when I go to Canada I get more hassle than when I'm in Europe. If anything I'd assume it would be easier to go between Canada and the U.S. which are a lot more culturally similar than say Germany and France.
- shados 7y ago
  Fascinating. Ill admit I've never traveled to Europe. What part is easier? My wife (an American citizen) has gone to Canada fairly frequently and clearing the custom is a quick formality. My narrow minded self can only imagine that short of not having a customs at all, it can't get a whole lot easier.
  - jdavis703 7y ago
    In Europe it's one or two questions (e.g. "how long are you staying?" and "why are you coming here?"). In Canada it's dozens of questions for 5-10 minutes. TBH as an American the same thing happened whenever I came back home to the US so who knows maybe I'm on some kind of list. At least in the US it's stopped now that I have Global Entry.

Merrill 7y ago

I would expect that the type of immigrants who typically enjoy lots of economic success are from middle to upper socioeconomic groups with cultural values that encourage discipline, hard work and getting ahead. In many cases it appears that children that succeed are from success oriented immigrant groups that maintain cultural cohesion in the US. Cultural cohesion is difficult to maintain through the second and third generation amid the corrosive effects of US mass culture. Nobel prize winners show the same pattern.