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But it isn't a proof that if the immigrants did not found these companies, someone local wouldn't have found them either. Maybe it had taken some more time but

But it isn't a proof that if the immigrants did not found these companies, someone local wouldn't have found them either. Maybe it had taken some more time but, locals would have ended up setting up these either way. A big maybe. China is an example that screams, immigrants do not matter much for economic success.

256 7y ago
There are a lot of other differences between America and China that make this a terrible comparison.
- gingabriska 7y ago
  Japan, Korea, Germany are also in line and also India (with successful space program without immigrants). There are many countries which are successful without immigrants, some of them are even democracies.
  - magduf 7y ago
    >Japan, Korea, Germany are also in line and also India (with successful space program without immigrants). This is just plain wrong, in the case of Germany. Germany has a huge immigrant population, and has since WWII when they brought in tons of Turks to be laborers there. There's an enormous Turkish population in Germany, and it's not new. Germany probably would not be where it is now without them. Japan and Korea don't have many immigrants, it's true, but they were both occupied by the US for some time (and Japan still is, in a way, as is Germany).
    - rayiner 7y ago
      80% of Germany is ethnic Germans (including repatriated Germans). No U.S. state is that homogeneous.
      - magduf 7y ago
        20% immigrants is still pretty huge for a European nation.
  - dagaci 7y ago
    I hope your not including India in your list as an example of ethnic uniformity, are you even aware of the vast number of different cultures and languages spoken in India? India stands as the original melting pot since ancient times. Oh and it also has the one of the largest immigrant population in the modern world. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/03/india-is-a-top-source-and-destination-for-worlds-migrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/03/india-is-a-...
  - llamathrowaway 7y ago
    FWIW, the richest man in Japan is the son of Korean immigrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son
hartator 7y ago
China economy is also an example that doesn’t scream for creativity.
stunt 7y ago
> Maybe it had taken some more time but, locals would have ended up setting up these either way. We're not talking about some local businesses. These are pretty much global companies with exceptional success. If Alphabet/Google was founded in the EU, it didn't matter how many small competitors would pop out elseware as they are currently.

256 7y ago

There are a lot of other differences between America and China that make this a terrible comparison.

gingabriska 7y ago
Japan, Korea, Germany are also in line and also India (with successful space program without immigrants). There are many countries which are successful without immigrants, some of them are even democracies.
- magduf 7y ago
  >Japan, Korea, Germany are also in line and also India (with successful space program without immigrants). This is just plain wrong, in the case of Germany. Germany has a huge immigrant population, and has since WWII when they brought in tons of Turks to be laborers there. There's an enormous Turkish population in Germany, and it's not new. Germany probably would not be where it is now without them. Japan and Korea don't have many immigrants, it's true, but they were both occupied by the US for some time (and Japan still is, in a way, as is Germany).
  - rayiner 7y ago
    80% of Germany is ethnic Germans (including repatriated Germans). No U.S. state is that homogeneous.
    - magduf 7y ago
      20% immigrants is still pretty huge for a European nation.
- dagaci 7y ago
  I hope your not including India in your list as an example of ethnic uniformity, are you even aware of the vast number of different cultures and languages spoken in India? India stands as the original melting pot since ancient times. Oh and it also has the one of the largest immigrant population in the modern world. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/03/india-is-a-top-source-and-destination-for-worlds-migrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/03/india-is-a-...
- llamathrowaway 7y ago
  FWIW, the richest man in Japan is the son of Korean immigrants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son

hartator 7y ago

China economy is also an example that doesn’t scream for creativity.

stunt 7y ago

> Maybe it had taken some more time but, locals would have ended up setting up these either way. We're not talking about some local businesses. These are pretty much global companies with exceptional success. If Alphabet/Google was founded in the EU, it didn't matter how many small competitors would pop out elseware as they are currently.