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At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians (and their allies) in Syria, and they threaten to do it elasewhere. For whatever it's worth, Palestini

by yyyk 7y ago

At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians (and their allies) in Syria, and they threaten to do it elasewhere. For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled, and furthermore, Israeli presence is not illegal according to resolution 242. In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Then again, I don't see why we should be bothering with this given that the Iran regime is the one shouting 'Death to America'. It's pretty natural for the US to oppose those ideologically hostile to it.

luckylion 7y ago
> In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Have you not heard about Jamal Khashoggi? It was a big story a while back. > It's pretty natural for the US to oppose those ideologically hostile to it. Chicken or egg? That is, if the US hadn't engaged in regime change operations in Iran and hadn't supported Saddam in attacking Iran, would Iran be hostile towards the US?
- yyyk 7y ago
  Khashoggi was killed inside Saudi embassy, that is, Saudi territory. I'm not excusing it, but had he been warned, he could have just avoided going in. Iran tends to kill people outright on foreign soil. e.g. https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--intelligence-service-iran-on-eu-terrorism-list-after-murders-in-the-netherlands-.rk9EPIQzV.html https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--intelligence-service-ira... It's funny that people think that the mullahs have any grudges against the US becuase the US overthrew a 'socialist atheist'. They didn't like Mosaddegh either and in fact took part in his overthrow. Khomeini's grudge was purely ideological.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > Khashoggi was killed inside Saudi embassy, that is, Saudi territory. That's generally not really how embassies work, but sure. > Khomeini's grudge was purely ideological. As in "all islamic religious hardliners in charge of a country hate the US"? The first gulf war couldn't have anything to do with it?
    - yyyk 7y ago
      Sure, the mullahs are really upset that US prevented their arch-enemy Saddam from conquering another country and getting stronger. Now, I wouldn't say "all islamic religious hardliners in charge of a country hate the US", but it sure is common.
      - luckylion 7y ago
        My point was that Saddam was acting with US support when he attacked Iran in the first gulf war in the early eighties, back before he got himself on the bad-dictator-list by invading Kuwait.
        yyyk 7y ago
        US did not support the initial invasion, and in fact allowed Israel to supply arms to Iran (!) to stop it. US support for Iraq came later when Iran continued the war after throwing off the Iraqis, because they didn't want to let Iran continue into Iraq.
    - jfnixon 7y ago
      "That's generally not really how embassies work..." Someone needs to tell Assange about this, if that isn't how embassies work.
Udik 7y ago
> At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians ... For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled How can you say something like this? It's even happening right now, for example these are today's news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem-demolit/israel-begins-to-demolish-homes-on-jerusalem-outskirts-stoking-palestinian-fears-idUSKCN1UH07N https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerus... Just imagine the scene: "Bulldozers accompanied by hundreds of Israeli soldiers and police moved in to Sur Baher, a Palestinian village on the edge of East Jerusalem Israeli forces cut through a wire section of the barrier in Sur Baher under cover of darkness early on Monday, and began clearing residents from the area. Floodlights lit up the area as dozens of vehicles brought helmeted security forces into the village “Since 2 a.m. they have been evacuating people from their homes by force and they have started planting explosives in the homes they want to destroy”
- yyyk 7y ago
  You can always post an eviction story from any country. We need to look at the larger picture: Palestinian population of Jerusalem is increasing both as an absolute and on percentage basis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal...
  - Udik 7y ago
    > You can always post an eviction story from any country At 2am in the morning, with floodlights, military and explosives? On a territory that doesn't even legally belong to that state? The evictions and demolitions purpose is to build a wall: From Wikipedia: "the border traced by the barrier is more than double the length of the Green Line, with 15% running along it or in Israel, while the remaining 85% cuts at times 18 kilometres (11 mi) deep into the West Bank, isolating about 9% of it, leaving an estimated 25,000 Palestinians isolated from the bulk of that territory." So Palestinian houses are demolished to make space for the wall, while the wall bends for kilometers to include illegal Israeli settlements built in Palestinian land.

by yyyk 7y ago

luckylion 7y ago

> In addition, Iran is also even more repressive than SA, because they are killing dissidents outside of their territory, unlike SA. Have you not heard about Jamal Khashoggi? It was a big story a while back. > It's pretty natural for the US to oppose those ideologically hostile to it. Chicken or egg? That is, if the US hadn't engaged in regime change operations in Iran and hadn't supported Saddam in attacking Iran, would Iran be hostile towards the US?

yyyk 7y ago
Khashoggi was killed inside Saudi embassy, that is, Saudi territory. I'm not excusing it, but had he been warned, he could have just avoided going in. Iran tends to kill people outright on foreign soil. e.g. https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--intelligence-service-iran-on-eu-terrorism-list-after-murders-in-the-netherlands-.rk9EPIQzV.html https://www.tellerreport.com/news/--intelligence-service-ira... It's funny that people think that the mullahs have any grudges against the US becuase the US overthrew a 'socialist atheist'. They didn't like Mosaddegh either and in fact took part in his overthrow. Khomeini's grudge was purely ideological.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > Khashoggi was killed inside Saudi embassy, that is, Saudi territory. That's generally not really how embassies work, but sure. > Khomeini's grudge was purely ideological. As in "all islamic religious hardliners in charge of a country hate the US"? The first gulf war couldn't have anything to do with it?
  - yyyk 7y ago
    Sure, the mullahs are really upset that US prevented their arch-enemy Saddam from conquering another country and getting stronger. Now, I wouldn't say "all islamic religious hardliners in charge of a country hate the US", but it sure is common.
    - luckylion 7y ago
      My point was that Saddam was acting with US support when he attacked Iran in the first gulf war in the early eighties, back before he got himself on the bad-dictator-list by invading Kuwait.
      - yyyk 7y ago
        US did not support the initial invasion, and in fact allowed Israel to supply arms to Iran (!) to stop it. US support for Iraq came later when Iran continued the war after throwing off the Iraqis, because they didn't want to let Iran continue into Iraq.
  - jfnixon 7y ago
    "That's generally not really how embassies work..." Someone needs to tell Assange about this, if that isn't how embassies work.

Udik 7y ago

> At the moment the people doing the expelling are Iranians ... For whatever it's worth, Palestinians are not being expelled How can you say something like this? It's even happening right now, for example these are today's news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem-demolit/israel-begins-to-demolish-homes-on-jerusalem-outskirts-stoking-palestinian-fears-idUSKCN1UH07N https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerus... Just imagine the scene: "Bulldozers accompanied by hundreds of Israeli soldiers and police moved in to Sur Baher, a Palestinian village on the edge of East Jerusalem Israeli forces cut through a wire section of the barrier in Sur Baher under cover of darkness early on Monday, and began clearing residents from the area. Floodlights lit up the area as dozens of vehicles brought helmeted security forces into the village “Since 2 a.m. they have been evacuating people from their homes by force and they have started planting explosives in the homes they want to destroy”

yyyk 7y ago
You can always post an eviction story from any country. We need to look at the larger picture: Palestinian population of Jerusalem is increasing both as an absolute and on percentage basis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal...
- Udik 7y ago
  > You can always post an eviction story from any country At 2am in the morning, with floodlights, military and explosives? On a territory that doesn't even legally belong to that state? The evictions and demolitions purpose is to build a wall: From Wikipedia: "the border traced by the barrier is more than double the length of the Green Line, with 15% running along it or in Israel, while the remaining 85% cuts at times 18 kilometres (11 mi) deep into the West Bank, isolating about 9% of it, leaving an estimated 25,000 Palestinians isolated from the bulk of that territory." So Palestinian houses are demolished to make space for the wall, while the wall bends for kilometers to include illegal Israeli settlements built in Palestinian land.