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AP does actually "take control away" in that it performs some emergency safety maneuvers automatically. For instance it can swerve to avoid an imminent collisio

AP does actually "take control away" in that it performs some emergency safety maneuvers automatically. For instance it can swerve to avoid an imminent collision with another vehicle, but would it swerve into a pedestrian?

sjwright 7y ago
AP never override's the driver's steering wheel input and it never stops the driver from pushing the brake pedal. AP never takes control away.
- MegaButts 7y ago
  While I am 99.9% certain you are correct, there is a chance it malfunctioned. What you are saying is exactly what people were saying when people first started claiming they couldn't stop their Toyotas from accelerating years ago, and then it turned out there was some merit to their claims.
  - sjwright 7y ago
    Sure—and when there's evidence of that, we can discuss it. Meanwhile, Occam's Razor says a guy behind the wheel of one of the fastest accelerating cars on the road was driving dangerously.
- bjelkeman-again 7y ago
  The new Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance actually briefly overrides my steering. It is somewhat annoying on a very narrow road, so I turn it off.
  - sjwright 7y ago
    It's not accurate to say that it overrides your steering; it combines its decisions with yours—like on an aircraft where the co-pilot has access to the same steering controls as the pilot. Personally I think lane keeping systems are mostly junk. Unless an automation (e.g. transmissions, adaptive cruise, auto headlights, auto wipers, lane keeping) does the not-wrong thing 99.9%* of the time, it doesn't lower cognitive load on the driver and is therefore pointless. If I still have to concentrate on staying in my lane, I'd much rather be 100% responsible for it instead of 1% responsible. * Not sure how many nines, but probably more than that.
    - bjelkeman-again 7y ago
      I am not sure I follow. Maybe we use different terminology. The car decides I am leaving my lane in an unsafe way, it does two things: it beeps loudly at me and it steers to avoid the side of the road. I can feel how it overrides my steering input. Tesla’s lane keeping system is on 95% of the time during long trips. I rarely have to intervene and it is always obvious that I have to. I would rather not be without. But the good thing is one can chose not to use it.

sjwright 7y ago

AP never override's the driver's steering wheel input and it never stops the driver from pushing the brake pedal. AP never takes control away.

MegaButts 7y ago
While I am 99.9% certain you are correct, there is a chance it malfunctioned. What you are saying is exactly what people were saying when people first started claiming they couldn't stop their Toyotas from accelerating years ago, and then it turned out there was some merit to their claims.
- sjwright 7y ago
  Sure—and when there's evidence of that, we can discuss it. Meanwhile, Occam's Razor says a guy behind the wheel of one of the fastest accelerating cars on the road was driving dangerously.
bjelkeman-again 7y ago
The new Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance actually briefly overrides my steering. It is somewhat annoying on a very narrow road, so I turn it off.
- sjwright 7y ago
  It's not accurate to say that it overrides your steering; it combines its decisions with yours—like on an aircraft where the co-pilot has access to the same steering controls as the pilot. Personally I think lane keeping systems are mostly junk. Unless an automation (e.g. transmissions, adaptive cruise, auto headlights, auto wipers, lane keeping) does the not-wrong thing 99.9%* of the time, it doesn't lower cognitive load on the driver and is therefore pointless. If I still have to concentrate on staying in my lane, I'd much rather be 100% responsible for it instead of 1% responsible. * Not sure how many nines, but probably more than that.
  - bjelkeman-again 7y ago
    I am not sure I follow. Maybe we use different terminology. The car decides I am leaving my lane in an unsafe way, it does two things: it beeps loudly at me and it steers to avoid the side of the road. I can feel how it overrides my steering input. Tesla’s lane keeping system is on 95% of the time during long trips. I rarely have to intervene and it is always obvious that I have to. I would rather not be without. But the good thing is one can chose not to use it.