5 ms·

It's not as fast as https://dev.to/ https://dev.to/, which is an SPA. I.e. client side routing.

detaro 7y ago
And it took me 2 minutes clicking around to break its idea of the page state. I am partially scrolled down the home page, and it just decided to deactivate scrollbars and the ability to scroll. A great example of how it's quite difficult to reimplement stuff that works perfectly well on traditional pages. (At least they seem to haven gotten rid of some of the dark patterns they had in the past, that's nice to see) EDIT: and within a minute more found another state bug :D Yes, you can make perfect SPAs, but many people fail and it's a good question if the effort required to do it properly is worth it.
- greenhatman 7y ago
  I've never found a bug on there, and I've been on it many times. I'd love if you can show me how to reproduce this bug. I just don't have this experience with SPAs breaking. I actually have no idea where it's coming from.
  - detaro 7y ago
    It doesn't happen 100 % of the time, but right now going to the homepage, clicking one of the listings in the "newest listings" box, and then returning to the homepage through the browser back button triggered it.
    - nkurz 7y ago
      I am able to reproduce this bug with Safari on a Macbook. I clicked on an item in "newest", then quickly pressed Cmd-Left to return to the previous "page". The front page reappears, but I'm unable to scroll with arrow keys or trackpad. An additional press of Esc returns the expected functionality. It seems to be a fast and responsive site when it works, though.
      - nathan_long 7y ago
        > It seems to be a fast and responsive site when it works, though. LOL. Y'all, I love speed as much as anyone, but your development priorities should be 1) it works and 2) it's fast. Using HTML links where 1) is never in doubt and all focus can be placed on 2) seems like good engineering to me. Reinventing browser navigation is like building a rocket. You should be really, really sure that you need to do it before you try.
  - wvenable 7y ago
    I just reproduced it following the commenters instructions -- clicked the sidebar link, got a popup, pressed the back button and I have no scroll bar. I can see what is happening there: the popup removes scrolling (because of the overlay) but the back button doesn't restore it. This certainly does lend to the conclusion that managing page state in a SPA is not trivial.
tener 7y ago
It is fast, but it breaks even faster. Managed to get myself in locked up state in some 15 seconds. Couldn't go back, displayed page was incomplete but no scrollbars were to be seen.
mikeash 7y ago
Good: it detects when you’re offline and displays a fun error page. Bad: this only works on every other click. Half the time the links just silently fail....
- StavrosK 7y ago
  For me, it always displays the "you're offline" page.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    A good demonstration of one of the major hazards of reinventing basic functionality like this: it’s really easy to end up with something that behaves differently on different browsers or just for different people.
  - couchand 7y ago
    You just reminded me that slate.com frequently tells me I'm offline after clicking the back button.
9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
Scrolling is extremely laggy on latest mid range Android using Chrome. Almost unusable.
ldoughty 7y ago
How do I access the footer on mobile? It just keeps scrolling it down as soon as it appears
ec109685 7y ago
Scroll, click a story, click a link off the site and then hit back button twice. You will jump to top of homepage incorrectly.
wlesieutre 7y ago
Ah, the good old “footer at the bottom of an infinitely long page.” Facebook and Google used to be guilty of this, but it’s been a while since I ran into that particular brand of user-hostile web design.
- wlesieutre 7y ago
  Addendum - I may have been too harsh here. The page most likely is not infinite. You should able to scroll through the entire backlog of dev.to content to access the footer. Seriously though, you can't just bolt infinite scrolling into the middle of an existing page if you have content at the bottom. If anyone's curious, the footer contains: Home, About, Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, Contact, Code of Conduct, DEV Community copyright 2016 - 2019 They've duplicated most of that (but not the copyright) in the sidebar's "Key Links" box, so it's not as big a problem as I've seen on other sites. If they hadn't, I wonder about the legal implications of making your privacy policy, terms of use, and copyright notice completely unreachable. And why keep them in the footer if you never leave it on screen long enough to click it? Just a "not my job" issue with whoever implemented the continuous scroll? Clearly someone thought about it long enough to put the links somewhere reachable, but not long enough to get rid of the old ones?
StavrosK 7y ago
That definitely seems faster, I'll give you that: https://i.imgur.com/bx1LUZD.png https://i.imgur.com/bx1LUZD.png

And it took me 2 minutes clicking around to break its idea of the page state. I am partially scrolled down the home page, and it just decided to deactivate scrollbars and the ability to scroll. A great example of how it's quite difficult to reimplement stuff that works perfectly well on traditional pages. (At least they seem to haven gotten rid of some of the dark patterns they had in the past, that's nice to see) EDIT: and within a minute more found another state bug :D Yes, you can make perfect SPAs, but many people fail and it's a good question if the effort required to do it properly is worth it.

greenhatman 7y ago
I've never found a bug on there, and I've been on it many times. I'd love if you can show me how to reproduce this bug. I just don't have this experience with SPAs breaking. I actually have no idea where it's coming from.
- detaro 7y ago
  It doesn't happen 100 % of the time, but right now going to the homepage, clicking one of the listings in the "newest listings" box, and then returning to the homepage through the browser back button triggered it.
  - nkurz 7y ago
    I am able to reproduce this bug with Safari on a Macbook. I clicked on an item in "newest", then quickly pressed Cmd-Left to return to the previous "page". The front page reappears, but I'm unable to scroll with arrow keys or trackpad. An additional press of Esc returns the expected functionality. It seems to be a fast and responsive site when it works, though.
    - nathan_long 7y ago
      > It seems to be a fast and responsive site when it works, though. LOL. Y'all, I love speed as much as anyone, but your development priorities should be 1) it works and 2) it's fast. Using HTML links where 1) is never in doubt and all focus can be placed on 2) seems like good engineering to me. Reinventing browser navigation is like building a rocket. You should be really, really sure that you need to do it before you try.
- wvenable 7y ago
  I just reproduced it following the commenters instructions -- clicked the sidebar link, got a popup, pressed the back button and I have no scroll bar. I can see what is happening there: the popup removes scrolling (because of the overlay) but the back button doesn't restore it. This certainly does lend to the conclusion that managing page state in a SPA is not trivial.

tener 7y ago

It is fast, but it breaks even faster. Managed to get myself in locked up state in some 15 seconds. Couldn't go back, displayed page was incomplete but no scrollbars were to be seen.

mikeash 7y ago

Good: it detects when you’re offline and displays a fun error page. Bad: this only works on every other click. Half the time the links just silently fail....

StavrosK 7y ago
For me, it always displays the "you're offline" page.
- mikeash 7y ago
  A good demonstration of one of the major hazards of reinventing basic functionality like this: it’s really easy to end up with something that behaves differently on different browsers or just for different people.
- couchand 7y ago
  You just reminded me that slate.com frequently tells me I'm offline after clicking the back button.

9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago

Scrolling is extremely laggy on latest mid range Android using Chrome. Almost unusable.

ldoughty 7y ago

How do I access the footer on mobile? It just keeps scrolling it down as soon as it appears

ec109685 7y ago

Scroll, click a story, click a link off the site and then hit back button twice. You will jump to top of homepage incorrectly.

wlesieutre 7y ago

Ah, the good old “footer at the bottom of an infinitely long page.” Facebook and Google used to be guilty of this, but it’s been a while since I ran into that particular brand of user-hostile web design.

wlesieutre 7y ago
Addendum - I may have been too harsh here. The page most likely is not infinite. You should able to scroll through the entire backlog of dev.to content to access the footer. Seriously though, you can't just bolt infinite scrolling into the middle of an existing page if you have content at the bottom. If anyone's curious, the footer contains: Home, About, Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, Contact, Code of Conduct, DEV Community copyright 2016 - 2019 They've duplicated most of that (but not the copyright) in the sidebar's "Key Links" box, so it's not as big a problem as I've seen on other sites. If they hadn't, I wonder about the legal implications of making your privacy policy, terms of use, and copyright notice completely unreachable. And why keep them in the footer if you never leave it on screen long enough to click it? Just a "not my job" issue with whoever implemented the continuous scroll? Clearly someone thought about it long enough to put the links somewhere reachable, but not long enough to get rid of the old ones?

StavrosK 7y ago

That definitely seems faster, I'll give you that: https://i.imgur.com/bx1LUZD.png https://i.imgur.com/bx1LUZD.png