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Protesters in Hong Kong are getting attacked by masked thugs

83 points by yasp 7y ago

yasp 7y ago
More https://twitter.com/alanwongw/status/1152962222357807104 https://twitter.com/alanwongw/status/1152962222357807104
- throwaway_2047 7y ago
  Journalists were hit by thugs https://thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E6%83%A1%E7%85%9E%E8%A1%8C%E5%85%87-%E7%BE%A4%E6%AF%86%E8%A8%98%E8%80%85%E5%B8%82%E6%B0%91-%E9%A0%AD%E7%A0%B4%E8%A1%80%E6%B5%81-%E8%A8%98%E5%8D%94%E7%B7%8A%E6%80%A5%E5%91%BC%E7%B1%B2%E8%AD%A6%E6%96%B9%E5%B1%A5%E8%A1%8C%E8%81%B7%E8%B2%AC/ https://thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E6%83%A...
throwaway_2047 7y ago
Police turn blind eye on thug's assault https://streamable.com/wlfoq https://streamable.com/wlfoq
- throwaway_2047 7y ago
  CONFIRMED: Pro-Beijing lawmaker Junius Ho shook hands with suspected gangsters, who very likely are the same batch of people attacking passengers in Yuen Long Station few hours ago. https://www.facebook.com/hkcolumn/ https://www.facebook.com/hkcolumn/
  - ktln2 7y ago
    Hong Kong Police Commander Coordinating With Suspected Attackers: https://streamable.com/7wt53 https://streamable.com/7wt53
S_A_P 7y ago
Sounds like Antifa, or the right wing equivalent. Before the swarm of downvotes, everyone think about what happens when we decide to use violence to impose their point of view. The government should be our client, not our ruler. We should be able to protest and be heard without fear.
- classicsnoot 7y ago
  I'm sorry you have been censored. Controlled opposition and provocation are tried and true methods for controlling narrative and spin balancing. Unfortunately, the silicon valley bubble crowd can neither be disabused of their fantastical notions of reality nor can they accept that their unwashed heros may in fact be a part of the machine they tacitly support.
  - dang 7y ago
    I'm the person who moderated the above bit, and I'm pretty confused about who my unwashed heroes are and what machine I support.
- joaomacp 7y ago
  > The government should be our client, not our ruler Unfortunately, that has never happened in history.
- yasp 7y ago
  Why is that a more likely theory than them being government sponsored?
  - greenhatman 7y ago
    I think he's implying that Antifa is government sponsored as well.
- vkou 7y ago
  Antifa doesn't impose a point of view at gunpoint. It is resistance to fascism - which is the quintessential point of view that is, inevitably, imposed at gunpoint, first with the protection of the police, and later, with the apparatus of the police. The last time that viewpoint held mainstream support, sixty million people were killed - and it had to be put down, at gunpoint.
pcurve 7y ago
Assuming the gangsters are backed by pro mainland leaders, what are hoping to get out of this?
- yasp 7y ago
  Suppression of dissent. What else?
  - pcurve 7y ago
    If the general public is apathetic and and number of dissenter is in minority I get it. The only thing I can think of is, they are pitting against one another in hope to cause greater chaos.
- cltsang 7y ago
  To deter persistent protests, I presume. Speaking from experience, it is difficult to wrap a liberal mind around this. From my limited understanding, pro Beijing people support rule by fear, since fear is the very reason they support the communist party. They fear to even flich no matter what the communist party does to them, because they fear the revenge. That's why they want others to feel the same. That's why they approve of the violent suppression of protests. They don't believe there is hope for resistance, so they choose the winning side. It's selfish, irrational, and immoral. There were judenrats during world war 2, and red guards during China's cultural revolution. It's all the same.
potatofarmer45 7y ago
The Chinese and HK government's have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handibook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and sticks, which in turn will give the police extra justification when they uncover "weapons". It will be used by the Chinese domestic media as justification to crack down hard.
ulfw 7y ago
I love Hong Kong. I love Hong Kongers and spent wonderful three years there. Am now leaving though (for many reasons, career and this). Not sure where off to next. Singapore again? Australia? Don't know. Depends on opportunities. If anyone needs a good product guy, let me know Unfortunately Hong Kong has never been competitive in tech offerings and quality of life has been going down dramatically over recent years.
- singularity2001 7y ago
  How did quality of life go down?
  - theredbox 7y ago
    Extreme real estate prices?
- theredbox 7y ago
  Why not try mainland then ? Shenzhen or Guangzhou.
- teknologist 7y ago
  Couldn't recommend Mainland China!
- FabHK 7y ago
  Agreed, it's a unique and energetic place. Shame that it's going downhill: * extreme inequality - fresh graduates will have to work for a decade or more before they'll be able to put down a deposit for a 150 sq foot "shoebox", while the tycoons with their mansions on The Peak are chauffeured around in Rolls Royce and helicopters * gradual erosion of civil liberties * air pollution * ridiculous rents - any business will have the rent increased on it until they're just scraping by, if at all. Main Street mom and pop shops are replaced by luxury shops catering to rich tourists (in China, you have value added tax, luxury tax, and the risk of fakes - so they much prefer buying in HK). For example, more Swiss watches are sold in HK (with 7m inhabitants) than in any other country [1] The indomitable spirit of the Hong Kongers is inspiring though. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/is-the-swiss-watch-export-slump-over https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/is-the-sw...
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
I despair for the protesters hope to have self determination. How can we help the people who just want to be free? China will just keep increasing the pressure, trying to get an excuse for sending out the police and arresting or beating them all up.
hker 7y ago
(Based on a comment I made on another thread) For more photos and videos of the triad attack, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ For another reporting of the triad attack, see BBC [1] and the Times [2]. It was leaked a few days ago that the government was planning to use triads to do the dirty work (See point 4 in [3] and [4] in Chinese). Using triads happened during the 2014 umbrella protest, but this time the attack on arbitrary citizens (not necessarily the protesters) is on a completely different scale: a terrorist attack. And there are videos showing that the police “co-operated” with the triads (by turning a blind eye: arriving at the scene late [5] [6], chatting with the triad attackers [7] [8], closing the police stations and not responding to cases during the events). [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49066982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49066982 [2]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c35b094-abe5-11e9-b657-1.. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c35b094-abe5-11e9-b657-1.... [3]: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638 https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638 [4]: https://nextplus.nextmedia.com/article/2_682569_0 https://nextplus.nextmedia.com/article/2_682569_0 [5]: A video showing two policemen turning their back on the the subway station right before the attack: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg0hm2/hkpf_leavi.. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg0hm2/hkpf_leavi.... [6]: A video allegedly showed how the triad members (on the left) left the scene when the police (on the right) arrived at one scene: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/videos/477470036387268/ https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/videos/477470036387268/ [7]: https://www.facebook.com/paco.chor/videos/10157511842948537/ https://www.facebook.com/paco.chor/videos/10157511842948537/ [8]: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=316880969036144 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=316880969036144

83 points by yasp 7y ago

yasp 7y ago

More https://twitter.com/alanwongw/status/1152962222357807104 https://twitter.com/alanwongw/status/1152962222357807104

throwaway_2047 7y ago
Journalists were hit by thugs https://thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E6%83%A1%E7%85%9E%E8%A1%8C%E5%85%87-%E7%BE%A4%E6%AF%86%E8%A8%98%E8%80%85%E5%B8%82%E6%B0%91-%E9%A0%AD%E7%A0%B4%E8%A1%80%E6%B5%81-%E8%A8%98%E5%8D%94%E7%B7%8A%E6%80%A5%E5%91%BC%E7%B1%B2%E8%AD%A6%E6%96%B9%E5%B1%A5%E8%A1%8C%E8%81%B7%E8%B2%AC/ https://thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%85%83%E6%9C%97%E6%83%A...

throwaway_2047 7y ago

Police turn blind eye on thug's assault https://streamable.com/wlfoq https://streamable.com/wlfoq

throwaway_2047 7y ago
CONFIRMED: Pro-Beijing lawmaker Junius Ho shook hands with suspected gangsters, who very likely are the same batch of people attacking passengers in Yuen Long Station few hours ago. https://www.facebook.com/hkcolumn/ https://www.facebook.com/hkcolumn/
- ktln2 7y ago
  Hong Kong Police Commander Coordinating With Suspected Attackers: https://streamable.com/7wt53 https://streamable.com/7wt53

S_A_P 7y ago

Sounds like Antifa, or the right wing equivalent. Before the swarm of downvotes, everyone think about what happens when we decide to use violence to impose their point of view. The government should be our client, not our ruler. We should be able to protest and be heard without fear.

classicsnoot 7y ago
I'm sorry you have been censored. Controlled opposition and provocation are tried and true methods for controlling narrative and spin balancing. Unfortunately, the silicon valley bubble crowd can neither be disabused of their fantastical notions of reality nor can they accept that their unwashed heros may in fact be a part of the machine they tacitly support.
- dang 7y ago
  I'm the person who moderated the above bit, and I'm pretty confused about who my unwashed heroes are and what machine I support.
joaomacp 7y ago
> The government should be our client, not our ruler Unfortunately, that has never happened in history.
yasp 7y ago
Why is that a more likely theory than them being government sponsored?
- greenhatman 7y ago
  I think he's implying that Antifa is government sponsored as well.
vkou 7y ago
Antifa doesn't impose a point of view at gunpoint. It is resistance to fascism - which is the quintessential point of view that is, inevitably, imposed at gunpoint, first with the protection of the police, and later, with the apparatus of the police. The last time that viewpoint held mainstream support, sixty million people were killed - and it had to be put down, at gunpoint.

pcurve 7y ago

Assuming the gangsters are backed by pro mainland leaders, what are hoping to get out of this?

yasp 7y ago
Suppression of dissent. What else?
- pcurve 7y ago
  If the general public is apathetic and and number of dissenter is in minority I get it. The only thing I can think of is, they are pitting against one another in hope to cause greater chaos.
cltsang 7y ago
To deter persistent protests, I presume. Speaking from experience, it is difficult to wrap a liberal mind around this. From my limited understanding, pro Beijing people support rule by fear, since fear is the very reason they support the communist party. They fear to even flich no matter what the communist party does to them, because they fear the revenge. That's why they want others to feel the same. That's why they approve of the violent suppression of protests. They don't believe there is hope for resistance, so they choose the winning side. It's selfish, irrational, and immoral. There were judenrats during world war 2, and red guards during China's cultural revolution. It's all the same.

potatofarmer45 7y ago

The Chinese and HK government's have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handibook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and sticks, which in turn will give the police extra justification when they uncover "weapons". It will be used by the Chinese domestic media as justification to crack down hard.

ulfw 7y ago

I love Hong Kong. I love Hong Kongers and spent wonderful three years there. Am now leaving though (for many reasons, career and this). Not sure where off to next. Singapore again? Australia? Don't know. Depends on opportunities. If anyone needs a good product guy, let me know Unfortunately Hong Kong has never been competitive in tech offerings and quality of life has been going down dramatically over recent years.

singularity2001 7y ago
How did quality of life go down?
- theredbox 7y ago
  Extreme real estate prices?
theredbox 7y ago
Why not try mainland then ? Shenzhen or Guangzhou.
teknologist 7y ago
Couldn't recommend Mainland China!
FabHK 7y ago
Agreed, it's a unique and energetic place. Shame that it's going downhill: * extreme inequality - fresh graduates will have to work for a decade or more before they'll be able to put down a deposit for a 150 sq foot "shoebox", while the tycoons with their mansions on The Peak are chauffeured around in Rolls Royce and helicopters * gradual erosion of civil liberties * air pollution * ridiculous rents - any business will have the rent increased on it until they're just scraping by, if at all. Main Street mom and pop shops are replaced by luxury shops catering to rich tourists (in China, you have value added tax, luxury tax, and the risk of fakes - so they much prefer buying in HK). For example, more Swiss watches are sold in HK (with 7m inhabitants) than in any other country [1] The indomitable spirit of the Hong Kongers is inspiring though. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/is-the-swiss-watch-export-slump-over https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/is-the-sw...

NotSammyHagar 7y ago

I despair for the protesters hope to have self determination. How can we help the people who just want to be free? China will just keep increasing the pressure, trying to get an excuse for sending out the police and arresting or beating them all up.

hker 7y ago

(Based on a comment I made on another thread) For more photos and videos of the triad attack, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ For another reporting of the triad attack, see BBC [1] and the Times [2]. It was leaked a few days ago that the government was planning to use triads to do the dirty work (See point 4 in [3] and [4] in Chinese). Using triads happened during the 2014 umbrella protest, but this time the attack on arbitrary citizens (not necessarily the protesters) is on a completely different scale: a terrorist attack. And there are videos showing that the police “co-operated” with the triads (by turning a blind eye: arriving at the scene late [5] [6], chatting with the triad attackers [7] [8], closing the police stations and not responding to cases during the events). [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49066982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49066982 [2]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c35b094-abe5-11e9-b657-1.. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c35b094-abe5-11e9-b657-1.... [3]: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638 https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638 [4]: https://nextplus.nextmedia.com/article/2_682569_0 https://nextplus.nextmedia.com/article/2_682569_0 [5]: A video showing two policemen turning their back on the the subway station right before the attack: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg0hm2/hkpf_leavi.. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg0hm2/hkpf_leavi.... [6]: A video allegedly showed how the triad members (on the left) left the scene when the police (on the right) arrived at one scene: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/videos/477470036387268/ https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/videos/477470036387268/ [7]: https://www.facebook.com/paco.chor/videos/10157511842948537/ https://www.facebook.com/paco.chor/videos/10157511842948537/ [8]: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=316880969036144 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=316880969036144