While I've really enjoyed your posts in this thread you're anecdotes do highlight something very important; quality software is expensive. Also, most clients, b

While I've really enjoyed your posts in this thread you're anecdotes do highlight something very important; quality software is expensive. Also, most clients, be they internal to the org or external don't really know what they want and certainly don't have the wherewithal to supply detailed, testable requirements up front. Where I think most shops touting "Agile" miss the mark is the customer collaboration part. Extracting the detailed requirements you've described would take a lot of upfront time and effort that I've found most "Agile" shops don't have the stomach for. Where the rubber usually meets the road is in "Grooming" sessions. These sessions are typically rush jobs to move Stories to "Ready for Dev" but what I've experienced is there's rarely adequate information to proceed to development after a typical Grooming session.