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I find it ironic that the government that still promotes a high carb, low fat diet composed of mostly grains, fruit, and dairy, thinks it's in the moral positio

I find it ironic that the government that still promotes a high carb, low fat diet composed of mostly grains, fruit, and dairy, thinks it's in the moral position to dictate who should be giving health advice. I'll support the court's decision the day choosemyplate.gov is shut down. Thought experiment: Why doesn't the government regulate all forms of advice for profit?

bigred100 7y ago
Have you actually read that website? From the FAQs: “Does the Dietary Guidelines promote a low-fat diet? The 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines does not encourage a low-fat diet (meaning low in total fats) — in fact its healthy eating style examples can contain up to 35% of total calories per day from fat. Consistent with the previous edition of the Dietary Guidelines, the 2015-2020 edition encourages eating styles that emphasize unsaturated fats and are low in saturated fat. Specifically, the Dietary Guidelines recommends keeping saturated fat consumption to less than 10% of calories per day. This recommendation is based on scientific evidence that replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fats is associated with reduced risk of cardiovascular disease. However, it is important to note that replacing saturated fat with carbohydrates does not reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Learn more about the difference between saturated and unsaturated fats and common sources of each.” https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-a...
guitarbill 7y ago
Because "the government" isn't some amorphous hive-mind like the borg, the different parts aren't always going to be aligned. And because when it comes to health, it is highly regulated to avoid charlatans taking advantage of desperate people. This lady wasn't necessarily doing that, but who knows?
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
> thinks it's in the moral position to dictate who should be giving health advice. But that's not really the issue at hand. As the judge said, she's free to give out advice without chatging. The fundamental issue is whether states have the right to set standards for professional services. And while there have been a number of exposés recently about how many states require ridiculous levels of certifications for low-level jobs (usually to the benefit of for-profit colleges and training programs), the law is clear that states do have this right, and I think most people would agree this is overall a good thing if excesses can be reined in. IMO, I'd rather have laws that state that if you are in any of the licensed "advice professions", that if you aren't licensed you have to clearly and loudly proclaim your lack of certification in any marketing materials.
- pgeorgi 7y ago
  > IMO, I'd rather have laws that state that if you are in any of the licensed "advice professions", that if you aren't licensed you have to clearly and loudly proclaim your lack of certification in any marketing materials. They'll wear it as a badge of pride: "I'm not one of those Government/Illuminati/... controlled certified advisors that must only sell you what Big Pharma tells them". And they'll find fools that glee over it. On the other hand, their customers would get exactly what they're looking for, including non-certification.
amadsen 7y ago
A high carb, low fat diet is excellent for health. Especially when paired with other simple recommendations such as an active lifestyle. This is established since well over a century, supported by high quality research and recognized by the WHO as well as governments and NGOs across the globe.
- shijie 7y ago
  You may by all means adhere to nutritional science that was concocted over a century ago. I’ll stick to current research completely debunking these claims. Thanks.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    True. And giving advice like the parent poster ignores reality that most people don’t have an “active lifestyle”. Giving any kind of advice that doesn’t take into account the reality on the ground is not good.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Current research isn't debunking these claims.
    - shijie 7y ago
      Care to share any examples of current research that maintains a high carb low fat is in any way optimal? As an (albeit) non-credentialed, but still deeply research and evidence-based nutritionist and health enthusiast, I can tell you that you’re deeply, exquisitely wrong. The link between high glycemic variability and almost every case of chronic disease is so well-established at this point that the only people that don’t know about it are the average layperson reading the news or fitness magazines for their nutrition advice, of which cohort you seem to have placed yourself. As an Ironman athlete, I intake between 1-200 grams of carbs a day, but most of them rank very low on the glycemic index. Most high carb diets are replete with high glycemic grains, breads, and pastas that are not only oxidatively stressful on our guts and bodies, but deleterious to health in the long term. Do your research.

bigred100 7y ago

Have you actually read that website? From the FAQs: “Does the Dietary Guidelines promote a low-fat diet? The 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines does not encourage a low-fat diet (meaning low in total fats) — in fact its healthy eating style examples can contain up to 35% of total calories per day from fat. Consistent with the previous edition of the Dietary Guidelines, the 2015-2020 edition encourages eating styles that emphasize unsaturated fats and are low in saturated fat. Specifically, the Dietary Guidelines recommends keeping saturated fat consumption to less than 10% of calories per day. This recommendation is based on scientific evidence that replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fats is associated with reduced risk of cardiovascular disease. However, it is important to note that replacing saturated fat with carbohydrates does not reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Learn more about the difference between saturated and unsaturated fats and common sources of each.” https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-a...

guitarbill 7y ago

Because "the government" isn't some amorphous hive-mind like the borg, the different parts aren't always going to be aligned. And because when it comes to health, it is highly regulated to avoid charlatans taking advantage of desperate people. This lady wasn't necessarily doing that, but who knows?

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

> thinks it's in the moral position to dictate who should be giving health advice. But that's not really the issue at hand. As the judge said, she's free to give out advice without chatging. The fundamental issue is whether states have the right to set standards for professional services. And while there have been a number of exposés recently about how many states require ridiculous levels of certifications for low-level jobs (usually to the benefit of for-profit colleges and training programs), the law is clear that states do have this right, and I think most people would agree this is overall a good thing if excesses can be reined in. IMO, I'd rather have laws that state that if you are in any of the licensed "advice professions", that if you aren't licensed you have to clearly and loudly proclaim your lack of certification in any marketing materials.

pgeorgi 7y ago
> IMO, I'd rather have laws that state that if you are in any of the licensed "advice professions", that if you aren't licensed you have to clearly and loudly proclaim your lack of certification in any marketing materials. They'll wear it as a badge of pride: "I'm not one of those Government/Illuminati/... controlled certified advisors that must only sell you what Big Pharma tells them". And they'll find fools that glee over it. On the other hand, their customers would get exactly what they're looking for, including non-certification.

amadsen 7y ago

A high carb, low fat diet is excellent for health. Especially when paired with other simple recommendations such as an active lifestyle. This is established since well over a century, supported by high quality research and recognized by the WHO as well as governments and NGOs across the globe.

shijie 7y ago
You may by all means adhere to nutritional science that was concocted over a century ago. I’ll stick to current research completely debunking these claims. Thanks.
- scarface74 7y ago
  True. And giving advice like the parent poster ignores reality that most people don’t have an “active lifestyle”. Giving any kind of advice that doesn’t take into account the reality on the ground is not good.
- DanBC 7y ago
  Current research isn't debunking these claims.
  - shijie 7y ago
    Care to share any examples of current research that maintains a high carb low fat is in any way optimal? As an (albeit) non-credentialed, but still deeply research and evidence-based nutritionist and health enthusiast, I can tell you that you’re deeply, exquisitely wrong. The link between high glycemic variability and almost every case of chronic disease is so well-established at this point that the only people that don’t know about it are the average layperson reading the news or fitness magazines for their nutrition advice, of which cohort you seem to have placed yourself. As an Ironman athlete, I intake between 1-200 grams of carbs a day, but most of them rank very low on the glycemic index. Most high carb diets are replete with high glycemic grains, breads, and pastas that are not only oxidatively stressful on our guts and bodies, but deleterious to health in the long term. Do your research.