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What if they take you into custody anyway? Detention of US citizens with passports has become increasingly common: https://twitter.com/repbarragan/status/1152

by geofft 7y ago

What if they take you into custody anyway? Detention of US citizens with passports has become increasingly common: https://twitter.com/repbarragan/status/1152359133330444288 https://twitter.com/repbarragan/status/1152359133330444288 (citizen daughter taken into custody along with undocumented parent, released after congressperson intervened) https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/ohare-standoff-border-patrol-detaining-three-children-of-undocumented-parents/285e32de-2516-4be2-b660-fd7b0419e913 https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/ohare-standoff-border-p... (citizen children detained at airport for 12+ hours on arrival to US, CBP insisted on only releasing them to their undocumented mother) https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Young-US-Citizen-Detained-at-Border-Gave-Inconsistent-Info-CBP-507437381.html https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Young-US-Citizen-Deta... (citizen 9-year-old in possession of her passport detained for 32 hours with no coherent reason provided) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-along-the-border-throwing-their-citizenship-into-question/2018/08/29/1d630e84-a0da-11e8-a3dd-2a1991f075d5_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-is-deny... (passport applicants with valid US birth certificates who were born near the Mexican border placed in deportation proceedings) What makes you think your green card will keep you safe? You are right that you have the legal right of habeas corpus, but whether you have the practical ability to convince government agents to lead you alone is quite a different thing, and has always been that way under every government.

manigandham 7y ago
Is this actually "increasingly common"? Seems like a few instances posted on social media with mostly cursory descriptions of what happened. The 2nd link is about an illegal immigrant mother who didn't want to come to the airport to pick up her children. They were released once she showed up, and the only reason they were stopped was because they were travelling with another person who had no legal status and was not admitted to the country. The 3rd link is about preteen children who were told to "walk across the border instead" because the line was moving too slow, leading to questioning to verify the identity. Not following the rules/law is the cause of 2 of those stories.
bruceb 7y ago
Something on twitter doesn't make anything "increasingly common" A child crossing the border alone might make any country worried about them.
zaroth 7y ago
The plural of anecdote is not data. For example, in the Washington Post story (your last link about passport renewal issues) the only hard statistics provided in the whole story show that the type of denials they are discussing are at their lowest level since the practice started during the Bush years and continued through the Obama years. Deportations overall are significantly lower they they were in 2010, and steady the last several years. From the stories I’m reading (WSJ) ICE is not even able to successfully deport illegal immigrants where final deportations orders have been issued. [1] - https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-enforcement-raids-begin-in-new-york-11563062969 https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-enforcement-raids-b...
- geofft 7y ago
  I was unclear about what I meant by "increasingly common," but I did not mean "during the Trump administration." It has certainly been happening well before then, too. And multiple presidential administrations ignoring the rights of citizens absolutely doesn't make it magically okay. I have my problems with Trump, but that doesn't imply that I think everything Obama and Bush did was good and just. (In any case, even one US citizen unlawfully detained, let alone deported, seriously concerns me as a citizen. Either the rights of citizenship are guaranteed, or they're not. They can't be mostly guaranteed.)
  - zaroth 7y ago
    The issue of verifying citizenship is as old as the existence of citizenship in the first place. While there’s no doubt these stories are magnified more than ever, I’m wondering if there’s any reason to believe this is actually an issue that is statistically becoming more common over the last 4-, 8-, 12- years, or if in fact, many of these practices are actually becoming less common but they are also becoming more widely discussed? Two unaccompanied kids walk across the border near Tijuana carrying US passports, one with a picture from many years before which makes her hard to identify and are detained. The brother signs papers (under duress) “admitting” the sister is actually his cousin and not a citizen. The girl is held for 36 hours before being released. A bad situation all around. Is it more common, or do we just hear about it now?
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by geofft 7y ago

manigandham 7y ago

Is this actually "increasingly common"? Seems like a few instances posted on social media with mostly cursory descriptions of what happened. The 2nd link is about an illegal immigrant mother who didn't want to come to the airport to pick up her children. They were released once she showed up, and the only reason they were stopped was because they were travelling with another person who had no legal status and was not admitted to the country. The 3rd link is about preteen children who were told to "walk across the border instead" because the line was moving too slow, leading to questioning to verify the identity. Not following the rules/law is the cause of 2 of those stories.

bruceb 7y ago

Something on twitter doesn't make anything "increasingly common" A child crossing the border alone might make any country worried about them.

zaroth 7y ago

The plural of anecdote is not data. For example, in the Washington Post story (your last link about passport renewal issues) the only hard statistics provided in the whole story show that the type of denials they are discussing are at their lowest level since the practice started during the Bush years and continued through the Obama years. Deportations overall are significantly lower they they were in 2010, and steady the last several years. From the stories I’m reading (WSJ) ICE is not even able to successfully deport illegal immigrants where final deportations orders have been issued. [1] - https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-enforcement-raids-begin-in-new-york-11563062969 https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-enforcement-raids-b...

geofft 7y ago
I was unclear about what I meant by "increasingly common," but I did not mean "during the Trump administration." It has certainly been happening well before then, too. And multiple presidential administrations ignoring the rights of citizens absolutely doesn't make it magically okay. I have my problems with Trump, but that doesn't imply that I think everything Obama and Bush did was good and just. (In any case, even one US citizen unlawfully detained, let alone deported, seriously concerns me as a citizen. Either the rights of citizenship are guaranteed, or they're not. They can't be mostly guaranteed.)
- zaroth 7y ago
  The issue of verifying citizenship is as old as the existence of citizenship in the first place. While there’s no doubt these stories are magnified more than ever, I’m wondering if there’s any reason to believe this is actually an issue that is statistically becoming more common over the last 4-, 8-, 12- years, or if in fact, many of these practices are actually becoming less common but they are also becoming more widely discussed? Two unaccompanied kids walk across the border near Tijuana carrying US passports, one with a picture from many years before which makes her hard to identify and are detained. The brother signs papers (under duress) “admitting” the sister is actually his cousin and not a citizen. The girl is held for 36 hours before being released. A bad situation all around. Is it more common, or do we just hear about it now?
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