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ICE have been detaining and deporting legal aliens. Being cautious as an immigrant is just a sensible precaution at this point.

by digsy 7y ago

ryeights 7y ago
Sure, but the stated purpose of the organization behind this app is to protect undocumented (i.e. illegal) immigrants: https://unitedwedream.org/about/ https://unitedwedream.org/about/ edit: can you show an example of a legal immigrant being deported?
- belltaco 7y ago
  https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven...
bluthru 7y ago
>ICE have been detaining and deporting legal aliens. How does a legal alien get deported when there are literally millions of illegal aliens? Mistaken identity? Do you know how many wrongful deportations there are?
- siphon22 7y ago
  As a legal resident, that's basically why I feel pretty confident in my green card. What the fuck kind of priorities does ICE have if they are messing with people who actually have documents and are here rightfully while there's actual illegals roaming around? Also, the fact that I live in SoCal, makes me feel pretty safe somehow. :)
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  Visibility, for one. Legal aliens are likely more confident in their chances to not be deported (and in the past, for rightful reasons), which makes them low hanging fruit for ICE which generally has zero accountability [1]. This can be for reasons like having a conviction within the past few decades or for more nebulous reasons. Even if you successfully fight deportation, you're still dealing with potentially being jailed and taken away from your life for no reason [2]. [1] https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lawful-resident-20180628-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lawful-resident... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kansas-professor-who-facing-deportation-freed-jail-n858356 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kansas-professor-who-fa...
- geofft 7y ago
  Because they're not white. I mean this in all seriousness, and it's unfortunate that it's such a flamey argument, but you can see them doing things like questioning the birth certificates of people just on the Texas side of the border that, as you argue, make no sense if your goal is simply to go after people you already know beyond a doubt are here illegally, of which there is no shortage. (Apparently one of the things they look at is baptismal records, on the grounds that there are allegedly people who live on the Mexico side of the border who get a false birth certificate from the US somehow. As a US-born child of Indian immigrants, who was baptized in India so my extended family could be there, this actually has me personally worried a little bit. I don't know how I could prove my citizenship if they questioned the validity of my birth certificate and therefore my passport....) To your question of how many, https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven... says, "Recent data suggests that in 2010 well over 4,000 U.S. citizens were detained or deported as aliens, raising the total since 2003 to more than 20,000." (And that's well before Trump, for the record!)
manigandham 7y ago
How can someone with legal status be deported without cause? Is there any proof of this?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article214844345.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article21...
  - manigandham 7y ago
    "Documented immigrants can now be deported from the United States if they break the rules of federal and state programs that offer public benefits to immigrants." Yes, criminal convictions can cause you to lose your immigration status, whether that's a visa or green card. Every legal immigrant knows this and it's been the law forever. This is not an example of surprise deportation of a legal resident.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  Oh, it gets worse than that. Here's a case of a citizen held for more than three years in ICE detention. He's not eligible for compensation, because they held him long enough that the statute of limitations expired. > There is no right to a court-appointed attorney in immigration court. Watson, who was 23 and didn't have a high school diploma when he entered ICE custody, didn't have a lawyer of his own. So he hand-wrote a letter to immigration officers, attaching his father's naturalization certificate, and kept repeating his status to anyone who would listen. > Still, Immigration and Customs Enforcement kept Watson imprisoned as a deportable alien for nearly 3 1/2 years. Then it released Watson, who was from New York, in rural Alabama with no money and no explanation. Deportation proceedings continued for another year. > Watson was correct all along: He was a U.S. citizen. After he was released, he filed a complaint. Last year, a district judge in New York awarded him $82,500 in damages, citing "regrettable failures of the government." > On Monday, an appeals court ruled that Watson, now 32, is not eligible for any of that money — because while his case is "disturbing," the statute of limitations actually expired while he was still in ICE custody without a lawyer. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038...

ICE have been detaining and deporting legal aliens. Being cautious as an immigrant is just a sensible precaution at this point.

by digsy 7y ago

ICE have been detaining and deporting legal aliens. Being cautious as an immigrant is just a sensible precaution at this point.

ryeights 7y ago

Sure, but the stated purpose of the organization behind this app is to protect undocumented (i.e. illegal) immigrants: https://unitedwedream.org/about/ https://unitedwedream.org/about/ edit: can you show an example of a legal immigrant being deported?

belltaco 7y ago
https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven...

bluthru 7y ago

>ICE have been detaining and deporting legal aliens. How does a legal alien get deported when there are literally millions of illegal aliens? Mistaken identity? Do you know how many wrongful deportations there are?

siphon22 7y ago
As a legal resident, that's basically why I feel pretty confident in my green card. What the fuck kind of priorities does ICE have if they are messing with people who actually have documents and are here rightfully while there's actual illegals roaming around? Also, the fact that I live in SoCal, makes me feel pretty safe somehow. :)
fzeroracer 7y ago
Visibility, for one. Legal aliens are likely more confident in their chances to not be deported (and in the past, for rightful reasons), which makes them low hanging fruit for ICE which generally has zero accountability [1]. This can be for reasons like having a conviction within the past few decades or for more nebulous reasons. Even if you successfully fight deportation, you're still dealing with potentially being jailed and taken away from your life for no reason [2]. [1] https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lawful-resident-20180628-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lawful-resident... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kansas-professor-who-facing-deportation-freed-jail-n858356 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kansas-professor-who-fa...
geofft 7y ago
Because they're not white. I mean this in all seriousness, and it's unfortunate that it's such a flamey argument, but you can see them doing things like questioning the birth certificates of people just on the Texas side of the border that, as you argue, make no sense if your goal is simply to go after people you already know beyond a doubt are here illegally, of which there is no shortage. (Apparently one of the things they look at is baptismal records, on the grounds that there are allegedly people who live on the Mexico side of the border who get a false birth certificate from the US somehow. As a US-born child of Indian immigrants, who was baptized in India so my extended family could be there, this actually has me personally worried a little bit. I don't know how I could prove my citizenship if they questioned the validity of my birth certificate and therefore my passport....) To your question of how many, https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.StevensVSP18.32011.pdf https://jacquelinestevens.org/US-Unlawfully-Detaining.Steven... says, "Recent data suggests that in 2010 well over 4,000 U.S. citizens were detained or deported as aliens, raising the total since 2003 to more than 20,000." (And that's well before Trump, for the record!)

manigandham 7y ago

How can someone with legal status be deported without cause? Is there any proof of this?

toomuchtodo 7y ago
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article214844345.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article21...
- manigandham 7y ago
  "Documented immigrants can now be deported from the United States if they break the rules of federal and state programs that offer public benefits to immigrants." Yes, criminal convictions can cause you to lose your immigration status, whether that's a visa or green card. Every legal immigrant knows this and it's been the law forever. This is not an example of surprise deportation of a legal resident.
ceejayoz 7y ago
Oh, it gets worse than that. Here's a case of a citizen held for more than three years in ICE detention. He's not eligible for compensation, because they held him long enough that the statute of limitations expired. > There is no right to a court-appointed attorney in immigration court. Watson, who was 23 and didn't have a high school diploma when he entered ICE custody, didn't have a lawyer of his own. So he hand-wrote a letter to immigration officers, attaching his father's naturalization certificate, and kept repeating his status to anyone who would listen. > Still, Immigration and Customs Enforcement kept Watson imprisoned as a deportable alien for nearly 3 1/2 years. Then it released Watson, who was from New York, in rural Alabama with no money and no explanation. Deportation proceedings continued for another year. > Watson was correct all along: He was a U.S. citizen. After he was released, he filed a complaint. Last year, a district judge in New York awarded him $82,500 in damages, citing "regrettable failures of the government." > On Monday, an appeals court ruled that Watson, now 32, is not eligible for any of that money — because while his case is "disturbing," the statute of limitations actually expired while he was still in ICE custody without a lawyer. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038...