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siphon22 7y ago
Judging the app/website itself, it annoys me. You can see the first iMessage bubble for a few seconds but then it gets pushed out of view by the second message and the top part gets cut off. Based on the website, it looks like they are trying to appeal to young people at a cafe in leisure rather than at-risk people on the run from government agencies lol. It doesn't look like anything I would put my trust in if I were in that situation.
nerdponx 7y ago
An app that could put you and your family members at risk of being put in a concentration camp and/or deported.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  Where are persons in the US with smartphones and service being sent to the border detention centers? Also how are they concentration camps? The whole premise is that you are free not to enter them, by staying where you're welcome. Nobody's dragging central Americans out of Mexico to put them in the extremely expensive detention centers at the border. They do make mistakes, like any LEO, but you can generally predict whether you'll be detained by whether you have committed an offense.
  - nerdponx 7y ago
    Literally where? Where are persons in the US with smartphones and service being sent to the border detention centers Nowhere yet. That's what I'm questioning, whether this is legit or just a way to end up on a watch list. Also they are concentration camps by any reasonable definition of the term: https://www.wordnik.com/words/concentration%20camp https://www.wordnik.com/words/concentration%20camp
    - microcolonel 7y ago
      > Also they are concentration camps by any reasonable definition of the term Here's a reasonable definition [0]: A camp where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners, prisoners of war, refugees etc., are detained for the purpose of confining them in one place, typically with inadequate or inhumane facilities. [from 19th c.] Yes, large numbers of people are being detained, but no, the purpose of the detention is not to confine them. The camps are a confinement only for the impracticality of detaining large numbers of people in small buildings, in the same way as jails. And again like jails, the people are being detained because they (or their only companion, in the case of dependents) were caught in the commission of a crime. They are jails at most, and as far as I can tell, you can leave at basically any time. [0]: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/concentration_camp https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/concentration_camp
  - fzeroracer 7y ago
    We're detaining asylum seekers in these concentration camps, which by definition are people who don't really have a place where they're welcome. How does your argument apply to those seeking asylum?
    - manigandham 7y ago
      Innocent people are not being dragged out of their homes and thrown into camps for their political beliefs or nationality. Illegal immigrants seeking asylum are willingly coming here and are provided with shelter, provisions and aid while their cases are processed. They have to stay somewhere, but since their specific crime is that they cannot be in the country legally, they are detained in government facilities. They are also free to leave at any time if they choose to no longer pursue their asylum claim. There is also legal entry (like obtaining a visa) which does not incur detainment.
      - fzeroracer 7y ago
        In an earlier argument in this same thread, you complained about people fussing over terminology. Now you're doing the exact same thing you complained about, which is fussing over people calling these camps concentration camps, which fits the historical and dictionary definition to a tee. Yes, they can choose to no longer pursue their asylum claim, but what you're arguing for is for them to commit suicide. They would be deported back to regimes which would likely kill them. Just because they have that 'option' does not mean the squalid conditions they are held in is somehow a good or just thing.
        manigandham 7y ago
        I'm using official and accurate language like detainment centers. My complaint is against changing the terms for sensationalism. How is voluntary ingress into aid shelters the same as a concentration camp? Do you consider every refugee camp the same thing then? More importantly I fail to see how this helps when it actually causes more delays in aid and funding due to political infighting and media hysterics. It's yet another case of terminology being a trivial distraction from the actual issue, and in this case hurting the people involved. Not seeking asylum is not the same as committing suicide. That's a completely disingenuous and emotional argument. Asylum is when you are not safe anywhere in your country, which is not the reality for most of these migrants who are fleeing poor economic and government conditions. This is reflected in number of asylum cases that are actually accepted. What regimes are you talking specifically? Do you mean the socialist governments? The failure of those is always inevitable and can only be fixed by new leadership, not by importing the populace into another country.

Judging the app/website itself, it annoys me. You can see the first iMessage bubble for a few seconds but then it gets pushed out of view by the second message and the top part gets cut off. Based on the website, it looks like they are trying to appeal to young people at a cafe in leisure rather than at-risk people on the run from government agencies lol. It doesn't look like anything I would put my trust in if I were in that situation.

nerdponx 7y ago

An app that could put you and your family members at risk of being put in a concentration camp and/or deported.

microcolonel 7y ago
Where are persons in the US with smartphones and service being sent to the border detention centers? Also how are they concentration camps? The whole premise is that you are free not to enter them, by staying where you're welcome. Nobody's dragging central Americans out of Mexico to put them in the extremely expensive detention centers at the border. They do make mistakes, like any LEO, but you can generally predict whether you'll be detained by whether you have committed an offense.
- nerdponx 7y ago
  Literally where? Where are persons in the US with smartphones and service being sent to the border detention centers Nowhere yet. That's what I'm questioning, whether this is legit or just a way to end up on a watch list. Also they are concentration camps by any reasonable definition of the term: https://www.wordnik.com/words/concentration%20camp https://www.wordnik.com/words/concentration%20camp
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > Also they are concentration camps by any reasonable definition of the term Here's a reasonable definition [0]: A camp where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners, prisoners of war, refugees etc., are detained for the purpose of confining them in one place, typically with inadequate or inhumane facilities. [from 19th c.] Yes, large numbers of people are being detained, but no, the purpose of the detention is not to confine them. The camps are a confinement only for the impracticality of detaining large numbers of people in small buildings, in the same way as jails. And again like jails, the people are being detained because they (or their only companion, in the case of dependents) were caught in the commission of a crime. They are jails at most, and as far as I can tell, you can leave at basically any time. [0]: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/concentration_camp https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/concentration_camp
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  We're detaining asylum seekers in these concentration camps, which by definition are people who don't really have a place where they're welcome. How does your argument apply to those seeking asylum?
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Innocent people are not being dragged out of their homes and thrown into camps for their political beliefs or nationality. Illegal immigrants seeking asylum are willingly coming here and are provided with shelter, provisions and aid while their cases are processed. They have to stay somewhere, but since their specific crime is that they cannot be in the country legally, they are detained in government facilities. They are also free to leave at any time if they choose to no longer pursue their asylum claim. There is also legal entry (like obtaining a visa) which does not incur detainment.
    - fzeroracer 7y ago
      In an earlier argument in this same thread, you complained about people fussing over terminology. Now you're doing the exact same thing you complained about, which is fussing over people calling these camps concentration camps, which fits the historical and dictionary definition to a tee. Yes, they can choose to no longer pursue their asylum claim, but what you're arguing for is for them to commit suicide. They would be deported back to regimes which would likely kill them. Just because they have that 'option' does not mean the squalid conditions they are held in is somehow a good or just thing.
      - manigandham 7y ago
        I'm using official and accurate language like detainment centers. My complaint is against changing the terms for sensationalism. How is voluntary ingress into aid shelters the same as a concentration camp? Do you consider every refugee camp the same thing then? More importantly I fail to see how this helps when it actually causes more delays in aid and funding due to political infighting and media hysterics. It's yet another case of terminology being a trivial distraction from the actual issue, and in this case hurting the people involved. Not seeking asylum is not the same as committing suicide. That's a completely disingenuous and emotional argument. Asylum is when you are not safe anywhere in your country, which is not the reality for most of these migrants who are fleeing poor economic and government conditions. This is reflected in number of asylum cases that are actually accepted. What regimes are you talking specifically? Do you mean the socialist governments? The failure of those is always inevitable and can only be fixed by new leadership, not by importing the populace into another country.