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That blows my mind, actually, for two reasons: 1. If you're a single person, even in the Bay Area, I have no idea what you're spending that money on; and 2. I
by cletus 7y ago
That blows my mind, actually, for two reasons:
1. If you're a single person, even in the Bay Area, I have no idea what you're spending that money on; and
2. In 10-20 years when those same people are no longer a "culture fit" I wonder if they'll rue their frrivolous ways.
So being poor or being close to it affects people in different ways IME. For some, this means spend as soon as you have it or it'll just go away (eg there is a noticeable uptick in large TV purchases around the EITC). Others will live ridiculously frugally. Some will be super-driven. Others almost defeatist.
In my case there was a time growing up when we were "poor". This is Australian "poor" not American "poor", which is a whole different thing. I don't mean homeless either. Just money was really really tight, as in baking bread because we couldn't afford to buy it, that sort of thing. This actually wasn't obvious to me at the time.
Many who have been "poor" IME never escape the feeling that even in times of bounty everything may still disappear tomorrow. There is much less sense of security. I really think this is one thing that many people who have always had money just don't understand. And I don't mean "wealthy". I just mean they never grew up in an environment where they had serious money worries.
Anyway, the income potential in Australia in software is substantially lower than the US. I was fortunate enough to get a job in Big Tech (NYC) some years ago. I noticed that I'd feel "bad" when I "wasted" $20 on something, like a shirt I didn't end up liking.
A few years ago I ran the numbers on how much I'd saved since coming to the US and honestly I was shocked, as in up until that point I had no idea just how little of my income I was actually spending. And this is a holdover from that psychological lack of financial security. To put this in perspective after paying all living and food expenses, my discretionary purchases and so on that I was still saving 30-40% of my gross income (including 401k). I'd say my income is pretty typical for Big Tech, nothing extraordinary.
Thing is, I actually have no idea what I'd the rest on if I decided to live paycheck to paycheck. So when I hear stories like yours I'm honestly befuddled.
- zxcmx 7y agoA machining hobby, boating, owning a racecar, getting a helicopter, building a bunker, failing at a startup, having a health problem, travelling around the world ski-ing or mountaineering, getting divorced, paying child support, extreme altruism...
- NTDF9 7y agoI hear you. I grew up in an Asian country with very very frugal day-to-day lifestyle. Think restaurant eating only on birthdays. Watched movies in theaters only twice in 18 years. I have serious trouble spending money. I just feel so bad spending $15 on a movie ticket or buying t-shirts more than $10. This despite earning well into six figures, in NYC as well. Growing up with shortage has fucked our psychology.
- GlennS 7y agoFunnily enough I had the same thing thing moving from Bristol in the UK to Sydney in Australia. My salary jumped more than 2x, I've got no idea how to spend it all despite my best efforts to drag everyone to the pub, and so at current rate I'll be able to retire at 45 or sooner.
- cletus 7y agoI'm honestly surprised to hear that about Sydney because the cost of housing in Sydney is insane. Or is it just the case that salaries in Bristol are horrible? So if I were looking at how to maximize my take home income and retire in the shortest amount of time and I was just picking a place on the globe to do this, I'd pick Seattle, hands down.
- mrep 7y agoI'm not in the bay area, but I think I could blow my entire income. Some top floor luxury apartments are north of $5000 a month (even for 1 bedroom, I've seen 3 bedroom ones north of $7,000). Add in a top end Tesla with insurance and parking is another $2500 a month. That's $90,000 a year right there. Throw in expensive groceries, eating out every day, first class travel, 5 star hotels and it'd be pretty easy.