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> If I was in poverty and I wanted to get out of it, I'd go get 2 jobs and make a lot of sacrifices. It wouldn't be pretty, it wouldn't be fair, it wouldn't be

> If I was in poverty and I wanted to get out of it, I'd go get 2 jobs and make a lot of sacrifices. It wouldn't be pretty, it wouldn't be fair, it wouldn't be fun. But it's not impossible. Overwhelmingly that seems not to be occurring. It either does not work as well as you think it does or is not undertaken. People, as I said, do not want to suffer economic hardships. This isn't an appeal to fairness or egalitarianism, but to the reality that intense suffering is endured by the poor, and that it can be alleviated from the outside regardless of whether or not you think they are responsible for their own suffering. This is an obvious thing to want if you don't like others suffering and acknowledge that most people, no matter how much they want to, do not leave poverty on their own. > Why can't people in poverty be bothered to have to sacrifice more than those that are wealthy? That's . . . incredibly insensitive. I understand that ad-hominems are frowned upon here, but that statement is both callous and makes some seriously flawed assumptions about who is sacrificing/suffering, and how much. It also reflects a very "fuck you, I've got mine" mentality, which is not conducive to the formation of functional, compassionate, good-to-inhabit communities at any scale.

watwut 7y ago
One reason for why it does not happen is that two full time jobs are possible only if st least one of them allows you slacking. The issue is not just lack of fun, but being too tired to function properly. And also when you have no outside of job duties.
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  Jobs that don’t allow slacking pay well because otherwise they have comically high turnover. I worked night shift in one service station and a day shift in another one for over six months and I’ve worker bar with a day job in a supermarket. Working 60 hours a week is easily within reach for any able bodied person under 40, even on a construction site. Over 60 hours or once your body starts to go you’ll be more restricted but once you have a few years in any job you can do the average work that you do on autopilot basically in your sleep.

watwut 7y ago

One reason for why it does not happen is that two full time jobs are possible only if st least one of them allows you slacking. The issue is not just lack of fun, but being too tired to function properly. And also when you have no outside of job duties.

barry-cotter 7y ago
Jobs that don’t allow slacking pay well because otherwise they have comically high turnover. I worked night shift in one service station and a day shift in another one for over six months and I’ve worker bar with a day job in a supermarket. Working 60 hours a week is easily within reach for any able bodied person under 40, even on a construction site. Over 60 hours or once your body starts to go you’ll be more restricted but once you have a few years in any job you can do the average work that you do on autopilot basically in your sleep.