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> Come to Munich. I find it very difficult to tell how rich most neighborhoods are here, whether city or suburb That sounds really pleasant. I'd love to have t

> Come to Munich. I find it very difficult to tell how rich most neighborhoods are here, whether city or suburb That sounds really pleasant. I'd love to have that where I live. > Well, that depends on how you feel about social mobility and segregation, I suppose. If you support the rich and poor being kept separate from each other, if you want to keep social mobility low I think you're painting me into a corner here that doesn't need to exist. First, I don't see why social/economic mobility should be predicated on the non-existence of stratified neighborhoods. I think non-stratified neighborhoods are an excellent result of those things. Second, trying to manufacture non-stratification by telling communities what type of housing they must allow feels a little hamfisted- and also a bit off target. I'd rather have government assistance housing that fits the neighborhood than a fucky landlord building shitty tenements.

TulliusCicero 7y ago
Stratified neighborhoods means stratified schools, means stratified networks of connections, which means less social mobility. > Second, trying to manufacture non-stratification by telling communities what type of housing they must allow feels a little hamfisted I'm sorry, but this is COMICALLY absurd at this point. Here we have communities that have used a relatively recent invention, zoning regulation, to force a historically unprecedented urban pattern of building onto the vast majority of residential land in the US, with the express intent of keeping out undesirables. As the libertarians like to put it, at the point of a gun. And you're saying the ones who want to loosen regulations, to return to more environmentally friendly, historically common urban building patterns, patterns that would not shut out the poor, are the ones "hamfistedly manufacturing" something? I'm sorry, I'm having trouble believing that you're not being deliberately disingenuous at this point. It's like calling the removal of Jim Crow laws "hamfisted, manufactured non-segregation".

TulliusCicero 7y ago

Stratified neighborhoods means stratified schools, means stratified networks of connections, which means less social mobility. > Second, trying to manufacture non-stratification by telling communities what type of housing they must allow feels a little hamfisted I'm sorry, but this is COMICALLY absurd at this point. Here we have communities that have used a relatively recent invention, zoning regulation, to force a historically unprecedented urban pattern of building onto the vast majority of residential land in the US, with the express intent of keeping out undesirables. As the libertarians like to put it, at the point of a gun. And you're saying the ones who want to loosen regulations, to return to more environmentally friendly, historically common urban building patterns, patterns that would not shut out the poor, are the ones "hamfistedly manufacturing" something? I'm sorry, I'm having trouble believing that you're not being deliberately disingenuous at this point. It's like calling the removal of Jim Crow laws "hamfisted, manufactured non-segregation".