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Firefox distributes the source via an open source license, but if you want to distribute binaries, you can't use trademarks not covered by the source license wi

by cwyers 7y ago

Firefox distributes the source via an open source license, but if you want to distribute binaries, you can't use trademarks not covered by the source license without Mozilla's permission.

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MYEUHD 7y ago
The license that Mozilla uses has such restrictions. But this isn't the case with the GPL.
- MaxBarraclough 7y ago
  I don't think that's quite right. The GPLv2 makes no mention of trademarks [0], and the GPLv3 mentions trademarks only to clarify that you may be protective of them, independent of the terms of the GPLv3. If you license under GPL, you're still free to be protective of your trademarks. This makes sense given that although Mozilla like to use their own licence, they've been careful over the years to either release under the GPL as well, or to use a licence of their own which has been constructed to be GPL-compatible [2]. Clearly, the GPL didn't force Mozilla to be permissive with their trademark. [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Licensing
MaxBarraclough 7y ago
Ah, right. So they don't try to prohibit distributing 'unofficial' binaries, they just insist that if you do so, you don't call it 'Signal'. As you say, Mozilla have done the same thing, and it's not hard to see why, though some FOSS folks (Debian in particular) took issue with this [0][1] [0] https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_...
- jdnenej 7y ago
  Not only can you not call it signal, you may also not connect it to the signal network so you have to host your own which can't message anyone.
  - southerntofu 7y ago
    Here's some relevant piece by m0xie, a maintainer of Signal : https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217339450 https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco... He and his colleagues are hostile towards federated protocols. This culminated in an article called "The ecosystem is moving" to which Daniel Gultsch (maintainer of conversations.im) answered here: https://gultsch.de/objection.html https://gultsch.de/objection.html

by cwyers 7y ago

Firefox distributes the source via an open source license, but if you want to distribute binaries, you can't use trademarks not covered by the source license without Mozilla's permission.

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MYEUHD 7y ago

The license that Mozilla uses has such restrictions. But this isn't the case with the GPL.

MaxBarraclough 7y ago
I don't think that's quite right. The GPLv2 makes no mention of trademarks [0], and the GPLv3 mentions trademarks only to clarify that you may be protective of them, independent of the terms of the GPLv3. If you license under GPL, you're still free to be protective of your trademarks. This makes sense given that although Mozilla like to use their own licence, they've been careful over the years to either release under the GPL as well, or to use a licence of their own which has been constructed to be GPL-compatible [2]. Clearly, the GPL didn't force Mozilla to be permissive with their trademark. [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Licensing

MaxBarraclough 7y ago

Ah, right. So they don't try to prohibit distributing 'unofficial' binaries, they just insist that if you do so, you don't call it 'Signal'. As you say, Mozilla have done the same thing, and it's not hard to see why, though some FOSS folks (Debian in particular) took issue with this [0][1] [0] https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_...

jdnenej 7y ago
Not only can you not call it signal, you may also not connect it to the signal network so you have to host your own which can't message anyone.
- southerntofu 7y ago
  Here's some relevant piece by m0xie, a maintainer of Signal : https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217339450 https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco... He and his colleagues are hostile towards federated protocols. This culminated in an article called "The ecosystem is moving" to which Daniel Gultsch (maintainer of conversations.im) answered here: https://gultsch.de/objection.html https://gultsch.de/objection.html