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I solved this problem many years ago by switching to a keyboard with a better layout. I'd thoroughly recommend a HHKB to any programmer.

sparso 7y ago
Happy Hacking Keyboard - https://www.hhkeyboard.com/ https://www.hhkeyboard.com/
- schemathings 7y ago
  Why does it have 2 USB ports?
noir_lord 7y ago
Never switching back to something that isn’t Ergo 4000 or Ergo 4000 shaped if they ever stop making them. Nothing is as comfortable for me and I’ve tried a few, so remapping caps is still useful to me.
- makapuf 7y ago
  Nice, how is linus support (regarding extra scrollwheel, buttons..)
  - noir_lord 7y ago
    Works fine, media keys all work out the box fedora/cinnamon and you can remap the extra keys however you want, I have the star mapped to Trello and 1 through 5 mapped to particular Trello boards etc. Been using them with Linux for about 5 years with no issues at all, yet to have one fail, the one I use at work the letters all wore off and I eventually wore through the faux leather padding surface but it's a nice high density foam so it's not breaking up. I've taken them apart a few times down to boards out and keycaps off to clean them with no issues. For a properly ergonomic keyboard at that price they are damn hard to beat so much so I have a spare new in box and am thinking of buying another just in case.
AnthonBerg 7y ago
I fully respect your choice :) As a hopefully interesting comparison, for me the right choice is a logical layout that is decoupled from the physical layout. And a Russian physical layout keyboard from Apple. And an US software layout. (I'm Icelandic and don't speak or write Russian. Not yet at least.) The Russian keyboard has all the programming symbols in the right places, a two-story enter key, and has the key between left-shift and Z. And gorgeous Cyrillic symbols on each key, in addition to the English-layout keys. Then my fingers sit on something beautiful that they know. Russian layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2RS?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1520717644293 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple... US layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5%2C0.5&.v=1520629359080 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple... And I love the crisp action that Apple's keyboards have today. – I appreciate that some don't like the feel. That's why we need a rainbow of variety! Then I remap things in software. I personally remap Caps Lock to Ctrl and keep Esc where it is.
- wruza 7y ago
  >two-story enter, key between lshift/z It is not very Russian though. We call it European on your first pic. And Russian ~= Asian, as shown here http://xahlee.info/kbd/russian_keyboard_layout.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/russian_keyboard_layout.html Last decade layouts shuffled here heavily, probably due to supplier chain ignorance, and also laptop-like keyboard vendors, who put keys randomly to save space. It is a headache to find a good keyboard with the layout you used to.
- tauchunfall 7y ago
  That's interesting. When you order from the Apple website from German region, you can choose e.g. English (US) and English (International). But US region does not allow to choose English (International). - English (International) layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22Z?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=80&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1498602296120 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple... - English (US) layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22LL?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1496944005839 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple... - Russian layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22RS?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1496943898748 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple...
fenesiistvan 7y ago
It would be nice to find a store where you can actually try the keyboards before to buy. I am using a Microsoft keyboard since 10 years and unable to accomodate with anything else, already wasted money for around 10 more keyboards with no luck. They are good as gift only, but everybody is bored already on my keyboard gift surprises :)
- petepete 7y ago
  If you can't find a shop maybe try a local Mechanical Keyboards meetup. They happen all over (more than 400k members now) and you'd get excellent advice and the opportunity to test lots of models. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/

sparso 7y ago

Happy Hacking Keyboard - https://www.hhkeyboard.com/ https://www.hhkeyboard.com/

schemathings 7y ago
Why does it have 2 USB ports?

noir_lord 7y ago

Never switching back to something that isn’t Ergo 4000 or Ergo 4000 shaped if they ever stop making them. Nothing is as comfortable for me and I’ve tried a few, so remapping caps is still useful to me.

makapuf 7y ago
Nice, how is linus support (regarding extra scrollwheel, buttons..)
- noir_lord 7y ago
  Works fine, media keys all work out the box fedora/cinnamon and you can remap the extra keys however you want, I have the star mapped to Trello and 1 through 5 mapped to particular Trello boards etc. Been using them with Linux for about 5 years with no issues at all, yet to have one fail, the one I use at work the letters all wore off and I eventually wore through the faux leather padding surface but it's a nice high density foam so it's not breaking up. I've taken them apart a few times down to boards out and keycaps off to clean them with no issues. For a properly ergonomic keyboard at that price they are damn hard to beat so much so I have a spare new in box and am thinking of buying another just in case.

AnthonBerg 7y ago

I fully respect your choice :) As a hopefully interesting comparison, for me the right choice is a logical layout that is decoupled from the physical layout. And a Russian physical layout keyboard from Apple. And an US software layout. (I'm Icelandic and don't speak or write Russian. Not yet at least.) The Russian keyboard has all the programming symbols in the right places, a two-story enter key, and has the key between left-shift and Z. And gorgeous Cyrillic symbols on each key, in addition to the English-layout keys. Then my fingers sit on something beautiful that they know. Russian layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2RS?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1520717644293 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple... US layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5%2C0.5&.v=1520629359080 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple... And I love the crisp action that Apple's keyboards have today. – I appreciate that some don't like the feel. That's why we need a rainbow of variety! Then I remap things in software. I personally remap Caps Lock to Ctrl and keep Esc where it is.

wruza 7y ago
>two-story enter, key between lshift/z It is not very Russian though. We call it European on your first pic. And Russian ~= Asian, as shown here http://xahlee.info/kbd/russian_keyboard_layout.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/russian_keyboard_layout.html Last decade layouts shuffled here heavily, probably due to supplier chain ignorance, and also laptop-like keyboard vendors, who put keys randomly to save space. It is a headache to find a good keyboard with the layout you used to.
tauchunfall 7y ago
That's interesting. When you order from the Apple website from German region, you can choose e.g. English (US) and English (International). But US region does not allow to choose English (International). - English (International) layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22Z?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=80&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1498602296120 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple... - English (US) layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22LL?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1496944005839 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple... - Russian layout: https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MLA22RS?wid=1144&hei=1144&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1496943898748 https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple...

fenesiistvan 7y ago

It would be nice to find a store where you can actually try the keyboards before to buy. I am using a Microsoft keyboard since 10 years and unable to accomodate with anything else, already wasted money for around 10 more keyboards with no luck. They are good as gift only, but everybody is bored already on my keyboard gift surprises :)

petepete 7y ago
If you can't find a shop maybe try a local Mechanical Keyboards meetup. They happen all over (more than 400k members now) and you'd get excellent advice and the opportunity to test lots of models. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/