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> Is it necessarily bad that people are reminded of that? Every time they have visitors, every time they go home, every time they get the post, every time thei

> Is it necessarily bad that people are reminded of that? Every time they have visitors, every time they go home, every time they get the post, every time their children see a playground they are not allowed to use [0]? Yes. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/25/too-poor-to-play-children-in-social-housing-blocked-from-communal-playground https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/25/too-poor-to-p...

jchb 7y ago
I agree that is horrible, but I think the mistake here is in mixing social housing into the same apartment block. Where I live social housing is in a dedicated building, typically located next to a public park.
- Quequau 7y ago
  Creating ghettoes by segregating and concentrating people into certain zones or buildings based on class, national origin, or perceived race is bad public policy that has many unwanted bad outcomes.
  - jchb 7y ago
    > based on class, national origin, or perceived race Well it is you who are mixing “race” into this. I am just reading “people from whatever background that currently do not have the means to get a roof over their head”.
    - Jonnax 7y ago
      Do you actually think that you're being intelligent by saying this? In reality immigrants separated into ghettos of affordable housing because they are generally poorer and don't have the means to get a roof over their head. The very idea of these mixed housing developments is to not have these style of ghettos. London is a very different city to your typical American city in that there's a lot of mixing of poor and rich areas. Of course when there's a block of homes just for poor people in a rich area, since they're less likely to vote, the elected officials don't give a damn about them. Like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower
FDSGSG 7y ago
I live in fancy expensive luxury housing, next to mine there's even fancier, almost twice as expensive housing. Is it bad that every time I have visitors, every time I go home, every time I get the post I see the wonderful infinity pools which I'm not allowed to use? I'm not sure if there's a significant difference between my story and the one in the article. Sure, I feel a tiny bit jealous every time I look out of the window. But that's just a reminder that I should work harder.
- sigwinch28 7y ago
  I think there is a difference, and the difference is that the developers of the property appear to have (at least, from my perspective) gone to some effort to actively separate these social housing tenants. The law requires that a certain amount of this housing is made available for these people who are vulnerable (be it financially or socially or in health) but it seems that the property developers made an active effort to segregate these people from the rest of the residents based entirely on their financial status or ability to support themselves.

jchb 7y ago

I agree that is horrible, but I think the mistake here is in mixing social housing into the same apartment block. Where I live social housing is in a dedicated building, typically located next to a public park.

Quequau 7y ago
Creating ghettoes by segregating and concentrating people into certain zones or buildings based on class, national origin, or perceived race is bad public policy that has many unwanted bad outcomes.
- jchb 7y ago
  > based on class, national origin, or perceived race Well it is you who are mixing “race” into this. I am just reading “people from whatever background that currently do not have the means to get a roof over their head”.
  - Jonnax 7y ago
    Do you actually think that you're being intelligent by saying this? In reality immigrants separated into ghettos of affordable housing because they are generally poorer and don't have the means to get a roof over their head. The very idea of these mixed housing developments is to not have these style of ghettos. London is a very different city to your typical American city in that there's a lot of mixing of poor and rich areas. Of course when there's a block of homes just for poor people in a rich area, since they're less likely to vote, the elected officials don't give a damn about them. Like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower

FDSGSG 7y ago

I live in fancy expensive luxury housing, next to mine there's even fancier, almost twice as expensive housing. Is it bad that every time I have visitors, every time I go home, every time I get the post I see the wonderful infinity pools which I'm not allowed to use? I'm not sure if there's a significant difference between my story and the one in the article. Sure, I feel a tiny bit jealous every time I look out of the window. But that's just a reminder that I should work harder.

sigwinch28 7y ago
I think there is a difference, and the difference is that the developers of the property appear to have (at least, from my perspective) gone to some effort to actively separate these social housing tenants. The law requires that a certain amount of this housing is made available for these people who are vulnerable (be it financially or socially or in health) but it seems that the property developers made an active effort to segregate these people from the rest of the residents based entirely on their financial status or ability to support themselves.