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I think there are two use cases for incognito mode: 1. I don't want others who have access to my client machine to be able to see a history of what I did onlin

by 13of40 7y ago

I think there are two use cases for incognito mode: 1. I don't want others who have access to my client machine to be able to see a history of what I did online. 2. I don't want servers to be able to know anything about me except maybe my IP address. It feels like tying these two together under one setting makes them both fragile. E.g. for scenario 2, I don't care whether a web page can use local storage as long as they don't have access to the data between sessions. I'd much rather have two options - hide from the server and hide from your boss (or whoever). And maybe some UI to help me always hide from specific servers or delete all the artifacts from a specific session after the fact.

mcherm 7y ago
Yes! I think this is exactly the way to think about it. Especially the part about giving the user control over just what sites they hide in this manner.
radisb 7y ago
What if you want both?
- patrec 7y ago
  Indeed – I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of people who want one of these things wouldn't also want the other.
  - 13of40 7y ago
    Hypothetical examples: I don't want the New York Times to ID me, but I don't care if my wife knows I read it. I don't want red tube to forget about my all access pass, but I don't want it in my browser history.
    - em-bee 7y ago
      right, and i do want the times in my history so i know if i have seen it already. but as is suggested elsewhere, private mode does not prevent ID. the times could switch to genuine browser/device fingerprinting and store that information server side. if they are careful enough so that false possibles are not possible (rather let a few slip through) then they could effectively control how much free access everyone gets.
14of40 7y ago
I want #1 for all machines, almost 100% of the time. Maybe 99%. I try to wipe my drives and repartition every 30 to 60 days, with a full OS reinstall. The Virtual Machines I run with VirtualBox are even less persistent than the bare metal, often stateful for mere hours. I do not retain browser history, and I have only about 5 bookmarks, and trash my cookies and cache at least every day, multiple times usually. But I want #2 for like 75% of the time. The other 25% of the time, that state almost never lasts 48 hours. When I go to bed, the current browser state dies forever. I usually have a hard time staying awake for 48 hours straight. This means #2 will become 100% every 48 hours, with 48 hours being an extreme maximum lifetime for session data, and the true norm being 8 hours (9 to 5, each work day). Considering that #1 & #2 are sure to intersect every 48 hours, dividing attention between them seems burdensome.
- 13of40 7y ago
  I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not the typical user. Besides, in your case it would be a matter of selecting "hide from everyone" in the drop-down.

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mcherm 7y ago

Yes! I think this is exactly the way to think about it. Especially the part about giving the user control over just what sites they hide in this manner.

radisb 7y ago

What if you want both?

patrec 7y ago
Indeed – I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of people who want one of these things wouldn't also want the other.
- 13of40 7y ago
  Hypothetical examples: I don't want the New York Times to ID me, but I don't care if my wife knows I read it. I don't want red tube to forget about my all access pass, but I don't want it in my browser history.
  - em-bee 7y ago
    right, and i do want the times in my history so i know if i have seen it already. but as is suggested elsewhere, private mode does not prevent ID. the times could switch to genuine browser/device fingerprinting and store that information server side. if they are careful enough so that false possibles are not possible (rather let a few slip through) then they could effectively control how much free access everyone gets.

14of40 7y ago

I want #1 for all machines, almost 100% of the time. Maybe 99%. I try to wipe my drives and repartition every 30 to 60 days, with a full OS reinstall. The Virtual Machines I run with VirtualBox are even less persistent than the bare metal, often stateful for mere hours. I do not retain browser history, and I have only about 5 bookmarks, and trash my cookies and cache at least every day, multiple times usually. But I want #2 for like 75% of the time. The other 25% of the time, that state almost never lasts 48 hours. When I go to bed, the current browser state dies forever. I usually have a hard time staying awake for 48 hours straight. This means #2 will become 100% every 48 hours, with 48 hours being an extreme maximum lifetime for session data, and the true norm being 8 hours (9 to 5, each work day). Considering that #1 & #2 are sure to intersect every 48 hours, dividing attention between them seems burdensome.

13of40 7y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not the typical user. Besides, in your case it would be a matter of selecting "hide from everyone" in the drop-down.