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I agree that the boomers didn't do a good job but I am not sure the next generation will do any better. It seems the best and brightest of this generation are b

I agree that the boomers didn't do a good job but I am not sure the next generation will do any better. It seems the best and brightest of this generation are busy building total surveillance infrastructure to sell ads. I don't see much movement towards more community oriented thinking.

jahewson 7y ago
People respond to incentives. If we as a society incentivised community projects then we’d see more of them.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  That's correct. I don't think we do though. Maybe there is some talk but the real money is in selling ads and other stuff.
- shoo 7y ago
  individuals in government and society in turn responds to advertising, lobbying, influence, bribery from vested interests... So you can ask the question: if it would be rational for society to do $THING in its own collective self-interest, e.g. incentivize more community projects, then why doesn't it do that? And perhaps the answer is, within the current context, moving to that new state is no longer reachable...
  - TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
    The other answer is the cult mythology that claims perfect financial selfishness is perfectly rational and no other moral system is tolerable. When your value system is narcissism with book keeping, the consequences are perfectly predictable.
- inimino 7y ago
  At some point there needs to be a moral responsibility on the part of the people creating incentive systems. Including those of us in tech.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Neither am I, but I do see hope in that the younger folks seem to me to be far more group focused than my cohort. They also get to see the clear issues of what we created. Add in that climate fix will require government action on a scale unimaginable since WW2, and the very high degree of engagement of teens approaching adulthood, and I think there's hope for a better outcome. Whether it comes through soon enough is another question entirely.

jahewson 7y ago

People respond to incentives. If we as a society incentivised community projects then we’d see more of them.

Ididntdothis 7y ago
That's correct. I don't think we do though. Maybe there is some talk but the real money is in selling ads and other stuff.
shoo 7y ago
individuals in government and society in turn responds to advertising, lobbying, influence, bribery from vested interests... So you can ask the question: if it would be rational for society to do $THING in its own collective self-interest, e.g. incentivize more community projects, then why doesn't it do that? And perhaps the answer is, within the current context, moving to that new state is no longer reachable...
- TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
  The other answer is the cult mythology that claims perfect financial selfishness is perfectly rational and no other moral system is tolerable. When your value system is narcissism with book keeping, the consequences are perfectly predictable.
inimino 7y ago
At some point there needs to be a moral responsibility on the part of the people creating incentive systems. Including those of us in tech.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

Neither am I, but I do see hope in that the younger folks seem to me to be far more group focused than my cohort. They also get to see the clear issues of what we created. Add in that climate fix will require government action on a scale unimaginable since WW2, and the very high degree of engagement of teens approaching adulthood, and I think there's hope for a better outcome. Whether it comes through soon enough is another question entirely.