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I am not familiar with this domain, anyone mind answering: What does this mean for amateur radio practitioners, and what does this mean for the greater internet

I am not familiar with this domain, anyone mind answering: What does this mean for amateur radio practitioners, and what does this mean for the greater internet/communications industry?

wmf 7y ago
All questions are answered at https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ (which was submitted several times but didn't make the front page).
- markovbot 7y ago
  Seems like that site is down. Here's the archive.org link for those interested: https://web.archive.org/web/20190719150143/https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190719150143/https://www.ampr....
  - amingilani 7y ago
    Even this link isn't working for me, unfortunately. Something's up with archive.org.
colechristensen 7y ago
They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to people for amateur radio related things and will continue to do so without any changes.
- grendelt 7y ago
  > They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually But that's outside the scope of what most in the amateur radio community would expect from caretakers of AMPRnet.
- jlgaddis 7y ago
  > ... they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. Yep, the last /10 went to AWS.
- cm2187 7y ago
  What sort of money are we talking about here?
  - wmf 7y ago
    $80M?
  - dylz 7y ago
    Market rate is 60-90 million. $25+/IP is reasonable given that it's a contiguous block, legacy, etc.
  - Bluecobra 7y ago
    44.192.0.0/10 was sold which equals 4,194,304 IP addresses. At $20.00/address that comes out to a cool $83,886,040. Using this to base the IP address cost: https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
    - virtuallynathan 7y ago
      None of the big guys are paying this much, especially for blocks this size. $5-10/IP.
      - throwaway2048 7y ago
        Nice to see they get backroom deals for about 0.15% of the ip addresses on the internet, AND massive discounts.
        oh_sigh 7y ago
        A volume discount isn't a backroom deal. Unless you think for some reason the group that controls 44.0.0.0/8 is beholden to Amazon or big tech for some reason.
        throwaway2048 7y ago
        No, but the deal itself is certainly extremely suspect and with a total lack of transparency for a supposedly public resource.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  It has been nearly impossible to get an allocation from them as a ham, if they even bother responding at all, so i don't buy this. This is an obvious money grab.

I am not familiar with this domain, anyone mind answering: What does this mean for amateur radio practitioners, and what does this mean for the greater internet/communications industry?

wmf 7y ago

All questions are answered at https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ (which was submitted several times but didn't make the front page).

markovbot 7y ago
Seems like that site is down. Here's the archive.org link for those interested: https://web.archive.org/web/20190719150143/https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190719150143/https://www.ampr....
- amingilani 7y ago
  Even this link isn't working for me, unfortunately. Something's up with archive.org.

colechristensen 7y ago

They had a /8, out of that they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. They never got close to using the whole /8 and currently allocated about a third of it. They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually (and just being cynical, probably paying the board who made this decision some of that money as well) IPs and blocks have been allocated for decades to people for amateur radio related things and will continue to do so without any changes.

grendelt 7y ago
> They are using the money for grants and scholarships and perhaps an endowment to fund them perpetually But that's outside the scope of what most in the amateur radio community would expect from caretakers of AMPRnet.
jlgaddis 7y ago
> ... they sold a /10 to probably one of the big 5. Yep, the last /10 went to AWS.
cm2187 7y ago
What sort of money are we talking about here?
- wmf 7y ago
  $80M?
- dylz 7y ago
  Market rate is 60-90 million. $25+/IP is reasonable given that it's a contiguous block, legacy, etc.
- Bluecobra 7y ago
  44.192.0.0/10 was sold which equals 4,194,304 IP addresses. At $20.00/address that comes out to a cool $83,886,040. Using this to base the IP address cost: https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
  - virtuallynathan 7y ago
    None of the big guys are paying this much, especially for blocks this size. $5-10/IP.
    - throwaway2048 7y ago
      Nice to see they get backroom deals for about 0.15% of the ip addresses on the internet, AND massive discounts.
      - oh_sigh 7y ago
        A volume discount isn't a backroom deal. Unless you think for some reason the group that controls 44.0.0.0/8 is beholden to Amazon or big tech for some reason.
        throwaway2048 7y ago
        No, but the deal itself is certainly extremely suspect and with a total lack of transparency for a supposedly public resource.
throwaway2048 7y ago
It has been nearly impossible to get an allocation from them as a ham, if they even bother responding at all, so i don't buy this. This is an obvious money grab.