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These numbers are great, with one caveat: the Teams thing. Several place I work or consult for use Office 365, not for its web app but for its desktop app (pay
by nolok 7y ago
These numbers are great, with one caveat: the Teams thing. Several place I work or consult for use Office 365, not for its web app but for its desktop app (pay a fixed sum per month per user, and get access to the latest version word/excel, which is great).
As any user of this product can attest, for a couple of months now, Teams has been pushed through the Office 365 updater, causing it to
1. install by itself (even though I consider it a separate product, but hey it's not strictly evil just yet, at least I can understand that it get installed, just like say Publisher even though the user may not use it it's part of the suite's single installer)
2. Open a nag screen after boot that mixes up Teams and your Office 365 account and keep doing it until the users make a Teams account, usually linked to his Office 365 account. Ignoring and closing it is not enough, as it will nag you after every reboot until you pleases it with an offrand of registration.
That one is pure freaking evil because either I get called to deal with it (which is a total waste of my time and my customer's money), or people deal with it on their own and end up with each their own account for which they won't remember the password and will forever claim that "no I didn't create it I've never seen that before".
3. If you uninstall Teams, there is a separate tool that gets installed behind your back, called "Teams Machine Wide installer", that will reinstall it without asking and you will be nagged after reboot again. As you can guess from the name, it's not normal Office 365 behavior, it's specific for Teams, and it's separate from the Teams install itself.
To the product manager that let this thing happen: seriously, screw you. O365 installer used to be super clear and trustworthy, and now you've ruined it. Don't push auto-reinstall behind the admin's back.
So yeah, when it says
> It also has had a great year with Teams and has shown real momentum. Teams now claims 13 million users, 30% more than Slack
I think those numbers are complete bullshit, and if anything they're disapointing. Teams may or may not be a great tool, but the way Office users are being turned into Teams users without them really asking for it only to then claim a high number of users doesn't inspire any confidence to me.
Beside that, I'm a massive user of Microsoft's products, have been for a long time, and the great results are deserved on all front (as long as you give Windows 10 a pass of "O&O ShutUp 10" to remove the layer of crapware)
- ianai 7y agoMicrosoft has really made some dark technological implementations in recent years. Sadly, it’d probably take another decade of this stuff before they faced any real pushback.
- partiallypro 7y agoThe Teams number is DAU, not active installs. So your comment doesn't really hold much water.
- nolok 7y agoIf they created an account after the nag screen then Team is launched, relaunch automatically at start, with a connected account. Not sure if they count it as DAU, but they probably could. Also, if they're not doing this to cheat their number so it's even worse, the primary point of my comment was about the crap they're pulling, not the effect it may have on their numbers.
- tracker1 7y agoI hate installs like that. I actually prefer teams, though I really wish they'd use the Android UX for reply vs new posts in a channel for chat. Also, really hate that there is not official Teams app for Linux. I mean WTF, it's an electron app, and MS pretty much setup the gold standards for cross-platform electron app support. There are a couple unofficial apps, but still, this one is stupid. I happen to really prefer o365 vs competitors, the value is seriously there, and google should cut their prices to 1/3 or so if they want to compete at a value level. Also, agreed on win10 crap...