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Gitlab: 2019 Developer Report

69 points by reimertz 7y ago

snek 7y ago
You have to sign up to read the report? I guess I'm never reading this report.
- canercandan 7y ago
  https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-developer-report.pdf https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-dev...
- deleted 7y ago
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- sarathyweb 7y ago
  You can't download it even if you sign I filled out the form. I just got a link to read the report. It's useless
- nevitablentropy 7y ago
  There is a link below the form which allows you to see the data without submitting anything. https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87 https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87
canercandan 7y ago
Here is the link to the report: https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-developer-report.pdf https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-dev...
- freddref 7y ago
  How did you find this?
  - johannkokos 7y ago
    gitlab publishes its about.gitlab.org source code. This pdf can be found in the repo link https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/blob/master/source/developer-survey/2019/index.html.haml https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/blob/master/sou...
    - ktm5j 7y ago
      Maybe it wasn't there earlier, but isn't there a download link at the top of the article?
residentraspber 7y ago
Direct link to the survey results here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87/ There's only a tiny link at the bottom of the page for this.
thecatspaw 7y ago
> Fully 61% of companies say GitLab is their most used tool for CI and build a survey by gitlab is biased towards gitlab, how strange
- plopz 7y ago
  For what its worth, the next sentence after that is: > A reminder, though, that 60% of our survey takers are GitLab users.
  - jrochkind1 7y ago
    So the odd thing is that extra 1% who are not gitlab users, but still say it's their most-used tool for CI and build... without using it.
    - aeontech 7y ago
      It’s only odd if you assume 100% of the surveyed companies have a CI and build infrastructure set up. Quite possibly some percentage is only using it for source control and doesn’t have an automated CI process in place at all.
      - saghm 7y ago
        Wouldn't that only make sense with the percentages reversed (61% are users, 60% say it's their most used)? Otherwise, there are more companies where it's "most used" then there are that use it at all.
        aeontech 7y ago
        Ok, sure, example with numbers: --------------------------------- Set A: 100 companies are surveyed 60/100 companies use GitLab (60%) --------------------------------- Set B: 82 of the surveyed companies use a CI solution of some kind 50/82 of those companies use GitLab CI (61%) --------------------------------- The two percentages make sense because Set A and Set B is not the same set of companies, hence the denominator is not the same in the two percentage calculations.
acdha 7y ago
The PDF link appears to be broken — I was expecting a spam signup form but it's just blank.
totaldude87 7y ago
Nice to see DevOps on #1 rather than agile.. what are your thoughts?
- Bombthecat 7y ago
  Not sure how pure devops should look like? You need one form of project management or another. How do you prioritize order, plan or coordinate stuuf if you are not using waterfall, scrum, kanban or whatever? I always had one combination or another..
catacombs 7y ago
LOL: 91% male. 6% female.
bklaasen 7y ago
> 5. Testing is still hard: 49% of respondents encounter the most delays during the testing stage of the development lifecycle. > Half of those surveyed called out testing as the biggest source of delay in the development process, reflecting an industry-wide struggle to balance the benefits of manual testing with the need for automation. Another example of how the purpose of testing is misperceived. You can't estimate how long it takes to test. It's more useful to simply time-box it. The delays come about for several reasons: * Testing often uncovers previously unknown problems that have affected the value of the product. The stakeholders choose to accept a delay to remedy the problems found. * Manual testers often have insufficient fluency with their tools to enable them to rapidly create data, set up and tear down environments, find patterns in data and generate meaningful reports. * Organisations often emphasise the creation of painstakingly detailed test cases full of duplication. * Dedicated test automation teams often go down the rabbit hole building low-value, high-cost, high feedback latency test harnesses in which tests are translated verbatim into code from manual test cases, driving tests of business logic through slow, flaky, GUI automation. There is a great deal of dysfunction in how testing is perceived, managed and performed - both by practitioners and those who must make decisions based on the outcomes of testing.

69 points by reimertz 7y ago

snek 7y ago

You have to sign up to read the report? I guess I'm never reading this report.

canercandan 7y ago
https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-developer-report.pdf https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-dev...
deleted 7y ago
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sarathyweb 7y ago
You can't download it even if you sign I filled out the form. I just got a link to read the report. It's useless
nevitablentropy 7y ago
There is a link below the form which allows you to see the data without submitting anything. https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87 https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87

canercandan 7y ago

Here is the link to the report: https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-developer-report.pdf https://about.gitlab.com/resources/downloads/2019-global-dev...

freddref 7y ago
How did you find this?
- johannkokos 7y ago
  gitlab publishes its about.gitlab.org source code. This pdf can be found in the repo link https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/blob/master/source/developer-survey/2019/index.html.haml https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/blob/master/sou...
  - ktm5j 7y ago
    Maybe it wasn't there earlier, but isn't there a download link at the top of the article?

residentraspber 7y ago

Direct link to the survey results here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-8LLKL2N87/ There's only a tiny link at the bottom of the page for this.

thecatspaw 7y ago

> Fully 61% of companies say GitLab is their most used tool for CI and build a survey by gitlab is biased towards gitlab, how strange

plopz 7y ago
For what its worth, the next sentence after that is: > A reminder, though, that 60% of our survey takers are GitLab users.
- jrochkind1 7y ago
  So the odd thing is that extra 1% who are not gitlab users, but still say it's their most-used tool for CI and build... without using it.
  - aeontech 7y ago
    It’s only odd if you assume 100% of the surveyed companies have a CI and build infrastructure set up. Quite possibly some percentage is only using it for source control and doesn’t have an automated CI process in place at all.
    - saghm 7y ago
      Wouldn't that only make sense with the percentages reversed (61% are users, 60% say it's their most used)? Otherwise, there are more companies where it's "most used" then there are that use it at all.
      - aeontech 7y ago
        Ok, sure, example with numbers: --------------------------------- Set A: 100 companies are surveyed 60/100 companies use GitLab (60%) --------------------------------- Set B: 82 of the surveyed companies use a CI solution of some kind 50/82 of those companies use GitLab CI (61%) --------------------------------- The two percentages make sense because Set A and Set B is not the same set of companies, hence the denominator is not the same in the two percentage calculations.

acdha 7y ago

The PDF link appears to be broken — I was expecting a spam signup form but it's just blank.

totaldude87 7y ago

Nice to see DevOps on #1 rather than agile.. what are your thoughts?

Bombthecat 7y ago
Not sure how pure devops should look like? You need one form of project management or another. How do you prioritize order, plan or coordinate stuuf if you are not using waterfall, scrum, kanban or whatever? I always had one combination or another..

catacombs 7y ago

LOL: 91% male. 6% female.

bklaasen 7y ago

> 5. Testing is still hard: 49% of respondents encounter the most delays during the testing stage of the development lifecycle. > Half of those surveyed called out testing as the biggest source of delay in the development process, reflecting an industry-wide struggle to balance the benefits of manual testing with the need for automation. Another example of how the purpose of testing is misperceived. You can't estimate how long it takes to test. It's more useful to simply time-box it. The delays come about for several reasons: * Testing often uncovers previously unknown problems that have affected the value of the product. The stakeholders choose to accept a delay to remedy the problems found. * Manual testers often have insufficient fluency with their tools to enable them to rapidly create data, set up and tear down environments, find patterns in data and generate meaningful reports. * Organisations often emphasise the creation of painstakingly detailed test cases full of duplication. * Dedicated test automation teams often go down the rabbit hole building low-value, high-cost, high feedback latency test harnesses in which tests are translated verbatim into code from manual test cases, driving tests of business logic through slow, flaky, GUI automation. There is a great deal of dysfunction in how testing is perceived, managed and performed - both by practitioners and those who must make decisions based on the outcomes of testing.