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That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen anyone on HN say, and I've seen people defending rapists. I lived in San Francisco for 20 years and never, ever saw

That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen anyone on HN say, and I've seen people defending rapists. I lived in San Francisco for 20 years and never, ever saw that. I'm not some boring techie who never leaves SOMA or the Mission, I've walked every street in san francisco (according to my Garmin), I've had a drink in every bar, I've made music in almost every park. Have you ever even been to San Francisco?

DanBC 7y ago
There's a few images on Google which makes it sound like it happens. I don't know if it's ever going to be anywhere near 1:2. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=san+francisco+stroller+with+dogs&tbm=isch&source=hp&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPrbumx8DjAhVUnVwKHVu_AZEQsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=681&bih=670 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=san+francisco+stroller+wit...
- peanutgal2600 7y ago
  People come to San Francisco, and just lie about what they see. They don't really observe anything, they just repeat the myths and paranoid lies that they read on reddit and HN! The city that I know, have supported, run companies, run punk venues, run hacker houses, and taught children to program does not bear any resemblance to the views of recent techie imports.
  - JoeSamoa 7y ago
    Dose that city still exist? Would love that experience...
    - peanutgal2600 7y ago
      It exists if you want to find it. Hint: It doesn't exist inside of a startup's office space. I've been to 60 countries, and there's nowhere in the world that has SF's diversity of music, art, food, cultures, peoples, points of view, businesses, and climates. The underground warehouse scene is still alive and well, as is the underground/aboveground bdsm/sex scene, the world music scene, hip-hop, bluegrass, techno (ugh). If you know who to talk to, you can go to an illegal, underground restaurant where guest chefs like Michael Minna cook. The are no less than 5 hacker warehouses focused solely on robotics development. Two of the old goth warehouses are still available. Sure, and there are bars/night clubs, hundreds of music venues. The closeness to natural beauty combined with all of this is almost unfair. 45% of the city is public parkland. That's just San Francisco, not mentioning the rest of the bay area. If you can't find a niche in the bay, you would be happier living somewhere that you can find a niche. Why be unhappy just for money? Nowhere in the world is even close. Maybe Berlin, but I'm not a big fan of Germany.
      - lonelappde 7y ago
        Considering how expensive underground warehouses are getting (to the point where only techies can afford those warehouse loft apartments, even the illegal ones), I find it hard to believe that the culture is thriving. Just look at what happened to Burning Man for an example. Now the art projects aren't built in SF by attendees and driven over they are purchased and imported.
        peanutgal2600 7y ago
        The culture still thrives, but not how it was, for sure. The older guard of the tech community keeps it alive, but for the most part, the brogrammer wave we got hit with in 2007, when everybody "did social", definitely sucked the life out of the area. One side effect is that you are a lot less likely to find out. Spaces I used to attend which were generally "if you can find it, you can come" now have guest lists and sometimes vouch lists with the intent of keeping the bros out.
      - simonebrunozzi 7y ago
        Hey, despite your virulent reaction to my comment - which I think was exaggerate - I would like to hear more about this. To give you context: I live in SF since 2012, and I try to bring my own experience and observations, rather than "stuff I read on Reddit". But of course I'm not perfect, and I am certainly biased in some ways. You sound like someone who knows much more than me. Share it with us. That's what HN is for. Not for flame wars.
braythwayt 7y ago
I have lived in Toronto most of my life, and I’ve seen plenty of people with dogs in strollers. But before we climb up on stage like a smug comic and bond with the audience by ridiculing people we don’t understand, let’s ask ourselves this: What do we do if our canine companion has mobility issues? How do we take them shopping with us so that they aren’t left at home, lonely? How do we take them to the park so they can lay down under a tree with us while we read a book? Many people choose very small dogs. I don’t know if it’s fashion, or if it’s the best choice for living in a very small apartment/condo, but perhaps very small dogs aren’t able to keep up for long outings, and a stroller lets them accompany their human. I stop far short of ridiculing things without looking past my biases and knee-jerk impulse to criticize things I don’t understand.
- peanutgal2600 7y ago
  So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op. People who hate San Franciscio move here to take our money, to complain about us not being boring like Palo Alto or Orange County. They don't contribute anything to our culture, they whine, moan, and think that we owe them something because they make $150k at a lame startup. Whoop de doo. They make us miserable so that we don't notice their misery. Some aspy techie decides that the city is overwhelming for him, or some brogrammer wants to be able to slee pwith as many sorority girls as possible, then comes to SF and complain, and bitch, and moan, waaah waaah waah. They always take the tiniest kernel of truth and blow it up beyond proportion. Waaaaah I want more housing, I have a right to cheap housing because I'm wealthy, waaaaaah! "Why won't theuy build skyscrapers in new york? HOW DARE THOSE NIMBIES PRACTICE DIRECT DEMOCRACY WHEN I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY VOTE?!?!?!?!" Show me 50% of all strollers having dogs in them. Go ahead, I'll wait.
  - braythwayt 7y ago
    > So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op. I'll tell you something else in response: Starting a response by suggesting that someone is acting in bad faith is not a productive way to engage people in discussion. You may misunderstand something about the subject. You may misunderstand the person's comment. The comment may have several interpretations, and you may have picked one that differs from the person's intent. The other person may misunderstand something. There are lots of reasons you may feel a comment misrepresents your perception of reality, and going right into the sewer to suggest malicious deception is a terrible way to participate in a social group. Have a nice day.
dang 7y ago
I believe you, but can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, like you did here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704? It's not a good way to share information with others, and it makes the threads degenerate in a way we're hoping to avoid. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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DanBC 7y ago

There's a few images on Google which makes it sound like it happens. I don't know if it's ever going to be anywhere near 1:2. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=san+francisco+stroller+with+dogs&tbm=isch&source=hp&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPrbumx8DjAhVUnVwKHVu_AZEQsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=681&bih=670 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=san+francisco+stroller+wit...

peanutgal2600 7y ago
People come to San Francisco, and just lie about what they see. They don't really observe anything, they just repeat the myths and paranoid lies that they read on reddit and HN! The city that I know, have supported, run companies, run punk venues, run hacker houses, and taught children to program does not bear any resemblance to the views of recent techie imports.
- JoeSamoa 7y ago
  Dose that city still exist? Would love that experience...
  - peanutgal2600 7y ago
    It exists if you want to find it. Hint: It doesn't exist inside of a startup's office space. I've been to 60 countries, and there's nowhere in the world that has SF's diversity of music, art, food, cultures, peoples, points of view, businesses, and climates. The underground warehouse scene is still alive and well, as is the underground/aboveground bdsm/sex scene, the world music scene, hip-hop, bluegrass, techno (ugh). If you know who to talk to, you can go to an illegal, underground restaurant where guest chefs like Michael Minna cook. The are no less than 5 hacker warehouses focused solely on robotics development. Two of the old goth warehouses are still available. Sure, and there are bars/night clubs, hundreds of music venues. The closeness to natural beauty combined with all of this is almost unfair. 45% of the city is public parkland. That's just San Francisco, not mentioning the rest of the bay area. If you can't find a niche in the bay, you would be happier living somewhere that you can find a niche. Why be unhappy just for money? Nowhere in the world is even close. Maybe Berlin, but I'm not a big fan of Germany.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      Considering how expensive underground warehouses are getting (to the point where only techies can afford those warehouse loft apartments, even the illegal ones), I find it hard to believe that the culture is thriving. Just look at what happened to Burning Man for an example. Now the art projects aren't built in SF by attendees and driven over they are purchased and imported.
      - peanutgal2600 7y ago
        The culture still thrives, but not how it was, for sure. The older guard of the tech community keeps it alive, but for the most part, the brogrammer wave we got hit with in 2007, when everybody "did social", definitely sucked the life out of the area. One side effect is that you are a lot less likely to find out. Spaces I used to attend which were generally "if you can find it, you can come" now have guest lists and sometimes vouch lists with the intent of keeping the bros out.
    - simonebrunozzi 7y ago
      Hey, despite your virulent reaction to my comment - which I think was exaggerate - I would like to hear more about this. To give you context: I live in SF since 2012, and I try to bring my own experience and observations, rather than "stuff I read on Reddit". But of course I'm not perfect, and I am certainly biased in some ways. You sound like someone who knows much more than me. Share it with us. That's what HN is for. Not for flame wars.

braythwayt 7y ago

I have lived in Toronto most of my life, and I’ve seen plenty of people with dogs in strollers. But before we climb up on stage like a smug comic and bond with the audience by ridiculing people we don’t understand, let’s ask ourselves this: What do we do if our canine companion has mobility issues? How do we take them shopping with us so that they aren’t left at home, lonely? How do we take them to the park so they can lay down under a tree with us while we read a book? Many people choose very small dogs. I don’t know if it’s fashion, or if it’s the best choice for living in a very small apartment/condo, but perhaps very small dogs aren’t able to keep up for long outings, and a stroller lets them accompany their human. I stop far short of ridiculing things without looking past my biases and knee-jerk impulse to criticize things I don’t understand.

peanutgal2600 7y ago
So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op. People who hate San Franciscio move here to take our money, to complain about us not being boring like Palo Alto or Orange County. They don't contribute anything to our culture, they whine, moan, and think that we owe them something because they make $150k at a lame startup. Whoop de doo. They make us miserable so that we don't notice their misery. Some aspy techie decides that the city is overwhelming for him, or some brogrammer wants to be able to slee pwith as many sorority girls as possible, then comes to SF and complain, and bitch, and moan, waaah waaah waah. They always take the tiniest kernel of truth and blow it up beyond proportion. Waaaaah I want more housing, I have a right to cheap housing because I'm wealthy, waaaaaah! "Why won't theuy build skyscrapers in new york? HOW DARE THOSE NIMBIES PRACTICE DIRECT DEMOCRACY WHEN I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY VOTE?!?!?!?!" Show me 50% of all strollers having dogs in them. Go ahead, I'll wait.
- braythwayt 7y ago
  > So, are you telling me that 50% of all strollers in Toronto have dogs in them? You would be lying as much as the op. I'll tell you something else in response: Starting a response by suggesting that someone is acting in bad faith is not a productive way to engage people in discussion. You may misunderstand something about the subject. You may misunderstand the person's comment. The comment may have several interpretations, and you may have picked one that differs from the person's intent. The other person may misunderstand something. There are lots of reasons you may feel a comment misrepresents your perception of reality, and going right into the sewer to suggest malicious deception is a terrible way to participate in a social group. Have a nice day.

dang 7y ago

I believe you, but can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, like you did here and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478609 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20478704? It's not a good way to share information with others, and it makes the threads degenerate in a way we're hoping to avoid. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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