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> CCTVs are very, very common in South Korea. This isn't something special to Songdo, and CCTVs are the number-one reason that South Korea has the 5th highest r

> CCTVs are very, very common in South Korea. This isn't something special to Songdo, and CCTVs are the number-one reason that South Korea has the 5th highest rate of people that think walking around in the dark is safe. Where did you find this figure? I wonder how the UK fares given the oft cited, but potentially wrong, stat that the UK has the highest number of CCTVs in the world.

asutekku 7y ago
I would think the harsh penalties for crimes plus a lot of CCTVs make the difference.
pcr910303 7y ago
Okay, I searched around for a bit; it's been a while since I was looking around: https://time.com/4983344/worlds-safest-best-worst-cities/ https://time.com/4983344/worlds-safest-best-worst-cities/ says Seoul is 14th in 2017 and https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/cities/ https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/cities/ says Seoul is 5th. I can't find about the rate of being safe in the dark, sorry :-(
dustinmoris 7y ago
London may have a huge amount of CCTV, but people in London certainly don't feel safe to walk at night through many parts of the city. London has a high crime rate, stabbings, muggings, hate crime, etc. and the Mayor of London has been ignoring the rise of violence and crime entirely for the last couple years.
- CaptainMarvel 7y ago
  I find the inclusion of the statement about the Mayor of London to be very strange. He has very limited powers in this area [0]. In contrast to the government, who have, in real-terms, massively cut public services including policing [1], social care, education, and youth services which have a far more direct link to increasing crime - especially county lines [2] (drug networks) and youth knife crime, both of which have featured heavily in the news recently. [0]: https://fullfact.org/news/what-can-mayor-london-actually-do/ https://fullfact.org/news/what-can-mayor-london-actually-do/ [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45477960 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45477960 [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/county-lines https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/county-lines
  - stuaxo 7y ago
    County lines seems more like a convenient myth. It's much easier if people can assume it's not locals involved, but instead scary gangsters from london (code for black people?).
    - reallydontask 7y ago
      > County lines seems more like a convenient myth. Never heard the term before, learnt something new today I guess :)
    - DanBC 7y ago
      County lines are real, as is cuckooing. I get that you don't believe their real, but I'm curious about how much effort you've taken to investigate the phenomena.
      - stallmanite 7y ago
        It never ceases to amaze me how deep and broad the knock-on effects of prohibition are. What a clusterfuck.
  - dustinmoris 7y ago
    If the Mayor of London doesn't have significant influence over how budgets are spent on the police and other public sectors and infrastructure in London then we might as well scrape that position altogether. Currently I feel like the Mayor is spending all his time and budget on personal PR and conducting dumb Twitter fights with foreign leaders. I get it, we all hate Trump, but our Mayor should not have to worry about foreign presidents, no matter how dumb these presidents are. The UK has a foreign secretary for that work. The Mayor should entirely focus his efforts and OUR TAX MONEY on the issues which our city has. I hate it that our hard earned tax money is being used for the Mayor to fund his personal PR campaigns to further progress his political career. How is that useful to anyone? And yes, I agree, the government is 100% responsible for cuts to the public sector and that's why all the establishment parties (Tories and Labour) are both in the shits, because they both have failed this country. There's no party I could currently vote for. Tories have literally wasted everyone's time and money for the last couple years with their own Game of Thrones game in their ranks, Labour is just an incognito racist party with Corbyn being dumb and ideological which is a dangerous combination (like Hitler was), Lib Dem and Greens are like a water melon, green on the outside, but red inside, and UKIP is just a disgrace full stop. They are all responsible for the UK's problems, but when I have to point my finger at someone for the problems in London, then the first instance is the Mayor of London.

asutekku 7y ago

I would think the harsh penalties for crimes plus a lot of CCTVs make the difference.

pcr910303 7y ago

Okay, I searched around for a bit; it's been a while since I was looking around: https://time.com/4983344/worlds-safest-best-worst-cities/ https://time.com/4983344/worlds-safest-best-worst-cities/ says Seoul is 14th in 2017 and https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/cities/ https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/cities/ says Seoul is 5th. I can't find about the rate of being safe in the dark, sorry :-(

dustinmoris 7y ago

London may have a huge amount of CCTV, but people in London certainly don't feel safe to walk at night through many parts of the city. London has a high crime rate, stabbings, muggings, hate crime, etc. and the Mayor of London has been ignoring the rise of violence and crime entirely for the last couple years.

CaptainMarvel 7y ago
I find the inclusion of the statement about the Mayor of London to be very strange. He has very limited powers in this area [0]. In contrast to the government, who have, in real-terms, massively cut public services including policing [1], social care, education, and youth services which have a far more direct link to increasing crime - especially county lines [2] (drug networks) and youth knife crime, both of which have featured heavily in the news recently. [0]: https://fullfact.org/news/what-can-mayor-london-actually-do/ https://fullfact.org/news/what-can-mayor-london-actually-do/ [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45477960 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45477960 [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/county-lines https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/county-lines
- stuaxo 7y ago
  County lines seems more like a convenient myth. It's much easier if people can assume it's not locals involved, but instead scary gangsters from london (code for black people?).
  - reallydontask 7y ago
    > County lines seems more like a convenient myth. Never heard the term before, learnt something new today I guess :)
  - DanBC 7y ago
    County lines are real, as is cuckooing. I get that you don't believe their real, but I'm curious about how much effort you've taken to investigate the phenomena.
    - stallmanite 7y ago
      It never ceases to amaze me how deep and broad the knock-on effects of prohibition are. What a clusterfuck.
- dustinmoris 7y ago
  If the Mayor of London doesn't have significant influence over how budgets are spent on the police and other public sectors and infrastructure in London then we might as well scrape that position altogether. Currently I feel like the Mayor is spending all his time and budget on personal PR and conducting dumb Twitter fights with foreign leaders. I get it, we all hate Trump, but our Mayor should not have to worry about foreign presidents, no matter how dumb these presidents are. The UK has a foreign secretary for that work. The Mayor should entirely focus his efforts and OUR TAX MONEY on the issues which our city has. I hate it that our hard earned tax money is being used for the Mayor to fund his personal PR campaigns to further progress his political career. How is that useful to anyone? And yes, I agree, the government is 100% responsible for cuts to the public sector and that's why all the establishment parties (Tories and Labour) are both in the shits, because they both have failed this country. There's no party I could currently vote for. Tories have literally wasted everyone's time and money for the last couple years with their own Game of Thrones game in their ranks, Labour is just an incognito racist party with Corbyn being dumb and ideological which is a dangerous combination (like Hitler was), Lib Dem and Greens are like a water melon, green on the outside, but red inside, and UKIP is just a disgrace full stop. They are all responsible for the UK's problems, but when I have to point my finger at someone for the problems in London, then the first instance is the Mayor of London.