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Does anyone believe that a ban would actually be effective? A talented teenager can already train a facial recognition model. In a few years, you'll be able to

Does anyone believe that a ban would actually be effective? A talented teenager can already train a facial recognition model. In a few years, you'll be able to drop the "talented".

mxcrossb 7y ago
From the article: > Only a full ban — a federal ban, covering the use of facial recognition by government agencies, in public places, and in public contracts with private entities — can prevent our nightmares from becoming reality. Talented teenagers are irrelevant, this is a call for a ban of using that technology by government entities.
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lifthrasiir 7y ago
> A talented teenager can already train a facial recognition model. A talented teenager could also build a neutron source in 1990s [1]. That fact doesn't translate to the ineffectiveness of nuclear safety laws. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn
dredmorbius 7y ago
Effective limitations on application, storage, transfer, admissibility (in criminal or civil courts), as well as substantial enforcement rights and noncompliance penalties, could reduce the risks to noise levels. The major utility of such technolgies comes from centralised and intercorrelated records, sold for business use. Disrupt aggregation, transfer, correlation, and the business model, and you've effectively killed much the basis for establishing such tracking. Banning FR-enabled monitoring cameras or surveillance systems (most deployments are not DYI), again, with bars on compiled databases (image collection does little without matching), and again, the effectve commercial basis is killed. Specific targeted LEO or national intelligence aplications and deployments may persist, but the former would be of little use if barred by courts' evidentiary rules. National intelligence use without commercial databases, and with bars on, e.g., sharing of state- and local-level identity documents or photos, again becomes much less useful for mass control, but instead reduces to fairly targeted investigation.

Does anyone believe that a ban would actually be effective? A talented teenager can already train a facial recognition model. In a few years, you'll be able to drop the "talented".

mxcrossb 7y ago

From the article: > Only a full ban — a federal ban, covering the use of facial recognition by government agencies, in public places, and in public contracts with private entities — can prevent our nightmares from becoming reality. Talented teenagers are irrelevant, this is a call for a ban of using that technology by government entities.

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lifthrasiir 7y ago

> A talented teenager can already train a facial recognition model. A talented teenager could also build a neutron source in 1990s [1]. That fact doesn't translate to the ineffectiveness of nuclear safety laws. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

dredmorbius 7y ago

Effective limitations on application, storage, transfer, admissibility (in criminal or civil courts), as well as substantial enforcement rights and noncompliance penalties, could reduce the risks to noise levels. The major utility of such technolgies comes from centralised and intercorrelated records, sold for business use. Disrupt aggregation, transfer, correlation, and the business model, and you've effectively killed much the basis for establishing such tracking. Banning FR-enabled monitoring cameras or surveillance systems (most deployments are not DYI), again, with bars on compiled databases (image collection does little without matching), and again, the effectve commercial basis is killed. Specific targeted LEO or national intelligence aplications and deployments may persist, but the former would be of little use if barred by courts' evidentiary rules. National intelligence use without commercial databases, and with bars on, e.g., sharing of state- and local-level identity documents or photos, again becomes much less useful for mass control, but instead reduces to fairly targeted investigation.