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I visited some telescopes there 2 months ago. The researchers are doing a fantastic job. The place has no life on it, it's barren due to the altitude and the la

I visited some telescopes there 2 months ago. The researchers are doing a fantastic job. The place has no life on it, it's barren due to the altitude and the lack of oxygen. No animal, plant or human ever ever lived up there. Those observatories are mostly remote-controlled and only 4 researchers were up there to monitor the 13 observatories the day we went. Ironically, the largest traffic going up there are actually people going there to take instagram pictures about the sacred mountain. So sad that a very unique scientific spot, with very high altitude in the middle of an ocean is getting in trouble for religious motives.

ars 7y ago
> is getting in trouble for religious motives. That is a very ignorant way of putting it. Personally, I feel they should build it, but to belittle people that way is not right. And besides religious reasons some people consider Hawaii as Occupied by the US, and the land is theirs, and not for use by the US for observatories. (I don't agree because it's annexed (they can vote), not Occupied.) But despite my feelings on the matter, I'm not going to go around disregarding people's beliefs.
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omegaworks 7y ago
There is an incredible land pressure on Hawaii. People that have lived there for generations have been pushed to the margins. Homelessness is all-time high, and it impacts native Hawaiians disproportionately[1]. This isn't just about "religious motives" it is about land rights. What is reserved for the indigenous people and what can be appropriated given the "right" motivations. 1. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-research-072417.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-research-072...
- morpheuskafka 7y ago
  Homelessness isn't really a relevant response given that OP states this land is not suitable for habitation.
- jabits 7y ago
  You really need to visit the place of which you speak. The top of Mauna Kea and Haleakala on Maui, my home, for that matter are not living places and have nothing to do with homelessness and Hawaii. There is room for both science and the few living creatures at these beautiful places high up.
newswriter99 7y ago
> The place has no life on it, it's barren due to the altitude and the lack of oxygen. No animal, plant or human ever ever lived up there. Are you lying through your teeth or just uneducated? There's several species of plants that grow on Mauna Kea. There's all kinds of insects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_silversword https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_silversword Took me all of two seconds on google to prove you wrong. Apply yourself.

ars 7y ago

> is getting in trouble for religious motives. That is a very ignorant way of putting it. Personally, I feel they should build it, but to belittle people that way is not right. And besides religious reasons some people consider Hawaii as Occupied by the US, and the land is theirs, and not for use by the US for observatories. (I don't agree because it's annexed (they can vote), not Occupied.) But despite my feelings on the matter, I'm not going to go around disregarding people's beliefs.

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omegaworks 7y ago

There is an incredible land pressure on Hawaii. People that have lived there for generations have been pushed to the margins. Homelessness is all-time high, and it impacts native Hawaiians disproportionately[1]. This isn't just about "religious motives" it is about land rights. What is reserved for the indigenous people and what can be appropriated given the "right" motivations. 1. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-research-072417.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-research-072...

morpheuskafka 7y ago
Homelessness isn't really a relevant response given that OP states this land is not suitable for habitation.
jabits 7y ago
You really need to visit the place of which you speak. The top of Mauna Kea and Haleakala on Maui, my home, for that matter are not living places and have nothing to do with homelessness and Hawaii. There is room for both science and the few living creatures at these beautiful places high up.

newswriter99 7y ago

> The place has no life on it, it's barren due to the altitude and the lack of oxygen. No animal, plant or human ever ever lived up there. Are you lying through your teeth or just uneducated? There's several species of plants that grow on Mauna Kea. There's all kinds of insects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_silversword https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_silversword Took me all of two seconds on google to prove you wrong. Apply yourself.