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Gay people are queer. Queer means everyone who is not straight.

throwanem 7y ago
No, it doesn't. https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/difference-between-gay-queer/ https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/difference-between-gay-...
- TallGuyShort 7y ago
  Even that article lists that definition as an "understandable" one and then explicitly phrases the subsequent commentary as the author's "interpretation". It seems like you're looking for a reason to be a victim of the wording used in the article.
  - throwanem 7y ago
    It seems like you’re looking for reasons to ignore the possibility that there’s a useful distinction to be made between the two terms. That seems like a more interesting discussion to have than any involving ad hominem such as “you’re looking for a reason to be a victim”.
    - TallGuyShort 7y ago
      Your own citation doesn't support your own argument
      - throwanem 7y ago
        That interpretations are of significance suffices to imply that no prescriptive definition is universally acknowledged to exist.
        TallGuyShort 7y ago
        So you commented on an article disputing the use of a term with no universally acknowledged definition and when someone disagreed with you you posted an article that includes THEIR definition as a decent example. Bravo. You're kind of proving my point here.
  - dang 7y ago
    > It seems like you're looking for a reason to be a victim That crosses into personal attack. Please don't do that in arguments here, regardless of how wrong someone is or it feels they are. And could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN generally? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473318 is an example. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Raphmedia 7y ago
On paper maybe but only a fraction of the gay population identifies as queer. Visit any gay bar and ask around. You'll quickly see that not everyone identifies to that label. If Queer was a fully synonymous with gay, the acronym wouldn't be "LGBTQ+" but simply "LGBT+".
- gurumeditations 7y ago
  For classification purposes, queer is accurate. It’s so we can avoid a thousand-letter acronym.
  - vsef 7y ago
    There are two different usages here: queer as umbrella term inclusive of LGBT etc, and queer as a specific identity. The usage as identity of its own is intentionally ambiguous/expansive but frequently implies some form of gender fluidity. The term can also ambiguously imply a particular political stance with regard to the role of gender in society, or more strongly a particular leftist philosophy. I am gay man, I do not identify as queer, I think that is pretty common. I'm fine mostly with the umbrella term, but also don't identify with enough parts of that politics that I wouldn't use the term myself ever. The original commenter is right that the apps don't necessarily seem welcoming to the specifically queer identified.

No, it doesn't. https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/difference-between-gay-queer/ https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/difference-between-gay-...

TallGuyShort 7y ago
Even that article lists that definition as an "understandable" one and then explicitly phrases the subsequent commentary as the author's "interpretation". It seems like you're looking for a reason to be a victim of the wording used in the article.
- throwanem 7y ago
  It seems like you’re looking for reasons to ignore the possibility that there’s a useful distinction to be made between the two terms. That seems like a more interesting discussion to have than any involving ad hominem such as “you’re looking for a reason to be a victim”.
  - TallGuyShort 7y ago
    Your own citation doesn't support your own argument
    - throwanem 7y ago
      That interpretations are of significance suffices to imply that no prescriptive definition is universally acknowledged to exist.
      - TallGuyShort 7y ago
        So you commented on an article disputing the use of a term with no universally acknowledged definition and when someone disagreed with you you posted an article that includes THEIR definition as a decent example. Bravo. You're kind of proving my point here.
- dang 7y ago
  > It seems like you're looking for a reason to be a victim That crosses into personal attack. Please don't do that in arguments here, regardless of how wrong someone is or it feels they are. And could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN generally? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473318 is an example. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Raphmedia 7y ago

On paper maybe but only a fraction of the gay population identifies as queer. Visit any gay bar and ask around. You'll quickly see that not everyone identifies to that label. If Queer was a fully synonymous with gay, the acronym wouldn't be "LGBTQ+" but simply "LGBT+".

gurumeditations 7y ago
For classification purposes, queer is accurate. It’s so we can avoid a thousand-letter acronym.
- vsef 7y ago
  There are two different usages here: queer as umbrella term inclusive of LGBT etc, and queer as a specific identity. The usage as identity of its own is intentionally ambiguous/expansive but frequently implies some form of gender fluidity. The term can also ambiguously imply a particular political stance with regard to the role of gender in society, or more strongly a particular leftist philosophy. I am gay man, I do not identify as queer, I think that is pretty common. I'm fine mostly with the umbrella term, but also don't identify with enough parts of that politics that I wouldn't use the term myself ever. The original commenter is right that the apps don't necessarily seem welcoming to the specifically queer identified.