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I find it all so bizarre. Everything from how big the font size is in the left nav, to the ordering of the nav items, to how the feed and right nav scroll toget

I find it all so bizarre. Everything from how big the font size is in the left nav, to the ordering of the nav items, to how the feed and right nav scroll together (can’t see the top of the right nav if you scroll down the main feed) to how huge tweets with images appear (can only see 2 tweets if they contain images on a massive desktop screen) to the fact that you cant resize the left or right nav on your own...

Benjammer 7y ago
What's bizarre about it? It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me, and seems to be focused on emphasizing sponsored content more, if I had to speculate. Large-picture tweets taking up a lot of space means that large-picture interstitial ads and promoted tweets also take up lots of space. I would guess also that scrolling the right-hand column gives a lot more automatic eyeball space to trending stuff in sections below the fold, and is no longer constrained to just screen height for what everyone will usually see there. Who's going to willfully scroll down the trending column of promoted stuff separately from the main feed? The left-nav stuff seems much more straightforward for new users, even if it's a useless change for long time users who already know how to operate the site.
- Existenceblinks 7y ago
  The "display" setting is a good start. Give me options to hide the left-nav, the trend, and I'll be cool with it.
  - Benjammer 7y ago
    Why in the world would they give users the option to hide trending stuff?
    - dorfsmay 7y ago
      If I want my content based on others' opinion, I go to Reddit. What's the point to follow accounts if you're not guaranteed to see their content, and not in the prefer they intended to?
    - Existenceblinks 7y ago
      Because, if, enough numbers of users want it, seriously. Also it's still an option, not a default.
    - thiagomgd 7y ago
      because what's trending never interests me, and possibly, other users?
  - Mindwipe 7y ago
    And reduce the font size from a minimum of 14 down to a minimum of, say, 6. And for it to also reduce the menus. And for the site to actually use horizontal space. And for the site not to insert different scrollbars over the menus if you're using it in a small window. And for to let us reduce the negative space padding by 99.99999%. Gah. It's so, so fucking bad. Twitter have the worst design team, and literally everything they have done for a decade has been garbage.
- jhalt 7y ago
  > It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me Not at all. Reddit has one nav across the top and side and a large auto-expanding area for the main content. Twitter desktop now has navs on both sides which take about roughly the same amount of real estate as the main content area, which is not auto-expanding.
- lawn 7y ago
  > It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me Which was also widely hated.
  - Benjammer 7y ago
    Totally. I also don't think the new Reddit looks "bizarre" though. Not much about it is strange or surprising.
- dorfsmay 7y ago
  But at least you can go to old.reddit.com for a sane view.
jhalt 7y ago
Agree - 99% of what I do is read tweets, but now they take up only ~33% of my screen's real estate, and are outweighed visually by large distracting content on either side.
- Mindwipe 7y ago
  To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "What's this supposed to do? Let me read tweets? So why doesn't it fucking do that???"
kccqzy 7y ago
It's just another example of the latest trend in UI/UX "experts" trying to create an "experience" for users, instead of letting the user create their own experience through customization of the UI.
- overcast 7y ago
  People generally don't know what they want. Expecting anything but a small percentage to customize their UI, let alone even know or care that feature exists, is optimistic at best. Think outside of the HN bubble, the other 99.999% of people that use these products.
  - kccqzy 7y ago
    It's not the HN bubble. There are very real users who want to do small customizations to the UI. Sometimes it's as simple as, in the case of GP, this sidebar is taking up too much space and I want to reduce it. Or it can be, let me choose how I want this list view to be sorted, and remember it. Or, this button on the toolbar is for a feature I never use, and let me hide it. All of this is incredibly common in well-designed Cocoa apps, but not at all in web apps or mobile apps (including iOS-builtin apps).
- astrodust 7y ago
  Sometimes ugly is functional. Sometimes worse is better. Sometimes designers don't know what they're doing as they chase after some idealistic goal that's detached from reality. Functional design is sometimes not good design. It's pragmatic. This redesign is hot garbage. Take it out back and shoot it.

Benjammer 7y ago

What's bizarre about it? It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me, and seems to be focused on emphasizing sponsored content more, if I had to speculate. Large-picture tweets taking up a lot of space means that large-picture interstitial ads and promoted tweets also take up lots of space. I would guess also that scrolling the right-hand column gives a lot more automatic eyeball space to trending stuff in sections below the fold, and is no longer constrained to just screen height for what everyone will usually see there. Who's going to willfully scroll down the trending column of promoted stuff separately from the main feed? The left-nav stuff seems much more straightforward for new users, even if it's a useless change for long time users who already know how to operate the site.

Existenceblinks 7y ago
The "display" setting is a good start. Give me options to hide the left-nav, the trend, and I'll be cool with it.
- Benjammer 7y ago
  Why in the world would they give users the option to hide trending stuff?
  - dorfsmay 7y ago
    If I want my content based on others' opinion, I go to Reddit. What's the point to follow accounts if you're not guaranteed to see their content, and not in the prefer they intended to?
  - Existenceblinks 7y ago
    Because, if, enough numbers of users want it, seriously. Also it's still an option, not a default.
  - thiagomgd 7y ago
    because what's trending never interests me, and possibly, other users?
- Mindwipe 7y ago
  And reduce the font size from a minimum of 14 down to a minimum of, say, 6. And for it to also reduce the menus. And for the site to actually use horizontal space. And for the site not to insert different scrollbars over the menus if you're using it in a small window. And for to let us reduce the negative space padding by 99.99999%. Gah. It's so, so fucking bad. Twitter have the worst design team, and literally everything they have done for a decade has been garbage.
jhalt 7y ago
> It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me Not at all. Reddit has one nav across the top and side and a large auto-expanding area for the main content. Twitter desktop now has navs on both sides which take about roughly the same amount of real estate as the main content area, which is not auto-expanding.
lawn 7y ago
> It looks a lot like the reddit redesign to me Which was also widely hated.
- Benjammer 7y ago
  Totally. I also don't think the new Reddit looks "bizarre" though. Not much about it is strange or surprising.
dorfsmay 7y ago
But at least you can go to old.reddit.com for a sane view.

jhalt 7y ago

Agree - 99% of what I do is read tweets, but now they take up only ~33% of my screen's real estate, and are outweighed visually by large distracting content on either side.

Mindwipe 7y ago
To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "What's this supposed to do? Let me read tweets? So why doesn't it fucking do that???"

kccqzy 7y ago

It's just another example of the latest trend in UI/UX "experts" trying to create an "experience" for users, instead of letting the user create their own experience through customization of the UI.

overcast 7y ago
People generally don't know what they want. Expecting anything but a small percentage to customize their UI, let alone even know or care that feature exists, is optimistic at best. Think outside of the HN bubble, the other 99.999% of people that use these products.
- kccqzy 7y ago
  It's not the HN bubble. There are very real users who want to do small customizations to the UI. Sometimes it's as simple as, in the case of GP, this sidebar is taking up too much space and I want to reduce it. Or it can be, let me choose how I want this list view to be sorted, and remember it. Or, this button on the toolbar is for a feature I never use, and let me hide it. All of this is incredibly common in well-designed Cocoa apps, but not at all in web apps or mobile apps (including iOS-builtin apps).
astrodust 7y ago
Sometimes ugly is functional. Sometimes worse is better. Sometimes designers don't know what they're doing as they chase after some idealistic goal that's detached from reality. Functional design is sometimes not good design. It's pragmatic. This redesign is hot garbage. Take it out back and shoot it.