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I think we're not giving the general public enough credit. These discussions always seem to come down to "no one cares about privacy" or "they care but they're
by envy2 7y ago
I think we're not giving the general public enough credit. These discussions always seem to come down to "no one cares about privacy" or "they care but they're idiots." I think many people care about privacy and generally understand the issues, but are making conscious trade-offs that make sense for them.
For the vast majority of people—who are boring, non-activist, law-abiding citizens—the value they assign to privacy of things like name/face/products they're interested in is nonzero, but very low. They know their name/face, along with far more sensitive information, is already in a lot of databases that matter more than anything some random app developer can do, and they get some greater value from the marginal privacy impact of that same information ending up in one more place.
There's a good bit of research to support this. For example, there is a study showing you'd have to pay someone on average $1,000+ [1] to give up their Facebook account for year, suggesting that's the value they assign to the service. At the same time, if you ask them how much they'd be willing to pay for an ads-free, more privacy conscious version of Facebook, studies show only a small fraction would pay even $15/month [2]. In other words, people are making a conscious assessment that their privacy is less valuable than the services they can get by giving it up.
We make these kind of trade-offs and decisions every day. It's much the same reason people can be both deeply concerned about child labor in the Global South, but still make the decision to buy the cheaper version of a product rather than the one they know is ethically sourced, even if they could afford the latter. These decisions certainly have societal impacts that are worth contemplating and being concerned about, but it's wrong and infantilizing to simply dismiss people's conscious and rational (for them) choices.
[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0207101 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
[2] https://www.vox.com/2018/4/11/17225328/facebook-ads-free-paid-service-mark-zuckerberg https://www.vox.com/2018/4/11/17225328/facebook-ads-free-pai...
- mikeash 7y agoWhat is the difference between “people don’t care about privacy” and “people value Facebook highly, wouldn’t pay much of anything for an ad-free, privacy conscious version of Facebook, and are making a conscious assessment that their privacy is less valuable than the service,” other than the additional detail? It seems to me that you’re complaining about infantilizing people’s choices while simultaneously telling us that, yes, people indeed don’t care about privacy very much.
- gridlockd 7y agoThe difference between "I don't care at all" and "I'm making a trade-off" is that in the former case no one is giving up something for nothing. There is no such thing as an "ad-free, privacy conscious" version of Facebook. If Facebook offered such a product, we'd have a rough idea about what privacy is worth to people in terms of money. All the Facebook "alternatives" are not Facebook.