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I already commented on this somewhere else. What's the problem with that? Are you implying female/black programmers are different? [1] https://news.ycombinator

I already commented on this somewhere else. What's the problem with that? Are you implying female/black programmers are different? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20469963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20469963

dewey 7y ago
No, he's implying that they are underrepresented.
- TrumpSucks 7y ago
  Then go write your own blog post. Stop crying.
- numlock86 7y ago
  Yes, why does it matter? Underrepresented? Who is? The people that are not different but yet are different? I don't get it. I see a couple of people with their commit times being analyzed. If there were black and/or females in that list, great. I did not waste a single thought about it and wouldn't have even if there were some or many in it. Why would I? It's just some people. Forcing a quota on certain "types of people"? Sure, go ahead. Ironically you'll be part of the problem you are trying to fix then, though.
  - dewey 7y ago
    I'm not the person making the original argument but I agree that they have a point. Someone creates a list of "famous programmers" which only includes whites males. This just further cements the image of programmers being white males, when in reality the field is more diverse and when it isn't people are trying to make it a bit more diverse through various angles (mentoring, removing biases from hiring, etc). I'm not blaming the person writing the blog post but the comment pointing that out has a valid point and something to keep in mind and develop some sensitivity for to create a more inclusive environment for everyone involved. > I did not waste a single thought about it and wouldn't have even if there were some or many in it. That is called privilege and means you are not affected by it and you just don't see the problem. Which is a very understandable behavior and I'm not blaming you for it. But maybe in the future if you, me or someone other white male is in a position to find sources to quote, or create a list like that we could keep that in mind and look outside of the bubble we are living in here on HN and see if there's something that we missed before.
    - jimmaswell 7y ago
      The only people who come to mind when I think of famous programmers are John Carmack, Grace Hopper, and Linus, maybe Ada Lovelace if you want to include her. Though Grace and Ada didn't use version control so they wouldn't be able to make the list anyway. Who are the other famous women/minority programmers that people don't know about?
      - toyg 7y ago
        > Grace and Ada didn't use version control so they wouldn't be able to make the list anyway. Yeah, this analysis is inevitably going to overrepresent white males today, because it's based on a subset of "programming" (i.e. opensource projects using git) that we already know as overwhelmingly skewed towards that particular demographic.
      - dewey 7y ago
        As we are 2 days away from the 50th anniversary of the moon landing (and I just finished a Podcast about that topic, so it's fresh on my mind) I'd say: Margaret Hamilton - https://www.vox.com/2015/5/30/8689481/margaret-hamilton-apollo-software https://www.vox.com/2015/5/30/8689481/margaret-hamilton-apol... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2/episodes/downloads https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2/episodes/downloads
      - yesbabyyes 7y ago
        Someone who is active during git time: Audrey Tang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang
        nojvek 7y ago
        even though I was downvoted to oblivion for my comment (I kind of expected that). I really appreciating someone to go out of their way to bring examples that break the stereotype that you can only be a successful programmer if you are a white male. I have struggled with this for a large part of my life. Thank you! I'm also super glad that we're having this conversation. I think it's important that people at-least talk about it and realize that not everyone has the same privilege. Thank you again!

dewey 7y ago

No, he's implying that they are underrepresented.

TrumpSucks 7y ago
Then go write your own blog post. Stop crying.
numlock86 7y ago
Yes, why does it matter? Underrepresented? Who is? The people that are not different but yet are different? I don't get it. I see a couple of people with their commit times being analyzed. If there were black and/or females in that list, great. I did not waste a single thought about it and wouldn't have even if there were some or many in it. Why would I? It's just some people. Forcing a quota on certain "types of people"? Sure, go ahead. Ironically you'll be part of the problem you are trying to fix then, though.
- dewey 7y ago
  I'm not the person making the original argument but I agree that they have a point. Someone creates a list of "famous programmers" which only includes whites males. This just further cements the image of programmers being white males, when in reality the field is more diverse and when it isn't people are trying to make it a bit more diverse through various angles (mentoring, removing biases from hiring, etc). I'm not blaming the person writing the blog post but the comment pointing that out has a valid point and something to keep in mind and develop some sensitivity for to create a more inclusive environment for everyone involved. > I did not waste a single thought about it and wouldn't have even if there were some or many in it. That is called privilege and means you are not affected by it and you just don't see the problem. Which is a very understandable behavior and I'm not blaming you for it. But maybe in the future if you, me or someone other white male is in a position to find sources to quote, or create a list like that we could keep that in mind and look outside of the bubble we are living in here on HN and see if there's something that we missed before.
  - jimmaswell 7y ago
    The only people who come to mind when I think of famous programmers are John Carmack, Grace Hopper, and Linus, maybe Ada Lovelace if you want to include her. Though Grace and Ada didn't use version control so they wouldn't be able to make the list anyway. Who are the other famous women/minority programmers that people don't know about?
    - toyg 7y ago
      > Grace and Ada didn't use version control so they wouldn't be able to make the list anyway. Yeah, this analysis is inevitably going to overrepresent white males today, because it's based on a subset of "programming" (i.e. opensource projects using git) that we already know as overwhelmingly skewed towards that particular demographic.
    - dewey 7y ago
      As we are 2 days away from the 50th anniversary of the moon landing (and I just finished a Podcast about that topic, so it's fresh on my mind) I'd say: Margaret Hamilton - https://www.vox.com/2015/5/30/8689481/margaret-hamilton-apollo-software https://www.vox.com/2015/5/30/8689481/margaret-hamilton-apol... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2/episodes/downloads https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xttx2/episodes/downloads
    - yesbabyyes 7y ago
      Someone who is active during git time: Audrey Tang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang
      - nojvek 7y ago
        even though I was downvoted to oblivion for my comment (I kind of expected that). I really appreciating someone to go out of their way to bring examples that break the stereotype that you can only be a successful programmer if you are a white male. I have struggled with this for a large part of my life. Thank you! I'm also super glad that we're having this conversation. I think it's important that people at-least talk about it and realize that not everyone has the same privilege. Thank you again!