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You’re waiting for newspapers to investigate why their own primary revenue stream is unethical?

untog 7y ago
Newspapers get huge amounts of referral traffic from Facebook, it hasn't stopped them investigating Facebook's practises.
- toasterlovin 7y ago
  Facebook is an adversary, though. Big difference.
ChrisSD 7y ago
Technically the journalists should have editorial independence and a firewall between them and marketing. So they could in theory investigate their own paper's revenue stream. Although in this case they wouldn't have to frame it in such stark terms because ad tech is widely used.
user17843 7y ago
there are state-sponsered media like BBC, etc.
- Lio 7y ago
  Even with the BBC though there are conflicts of interest. For example, when the BBC introduced compulsory logins for its iPlayer service so that it could, amongst other things, form political profiles on users just in case viewers decided to be in the audience of it's political shows such as Question Time. I distinctly remember hearing the BBC News team interviewing the BBC's own staff and coming to the consensus with themselves that they were "striking the right balance". There were no descenting voices on the programme and discussion about why creating political profiles for people might be a bad thing.
  - Aethelwulf 7y ago
    Do you have a reference for that discussion?
    - Lio 7y ago
      Not to hand but I'm just having a search for it. I'm pretty sure it was PM with Eddy Mare on Radio Four and from memory would have been back in 2017.
    - michaelt 7y ago
      Radio 4's 'Feedback' [1] bills itself as "The programme that holds the BBC to account on behalf of the radio audience" and frequently interviews BBC employees. Obviously there are fraught incentives from them paying for their own criticism. Not sure cancelling the program would improve the situation though. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/episodes/downloads https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/episodes/downloads
moviuro 7y ago
Le Canard Enchaîné disagrees [0]. Still stuck in the old ways of paper printing though. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9
- souterrain 7y ago
  “Stuck” may not be the best word for a profitable journalism company that ensures its readers that they aren’t being tracked nor individually manipulated. Are there any digital news outfits that don’t subject their paying readers to unethical (IMHO) advertising? If no, I’ll continue to read via dead trees.

Newspapers get huge amounts of referral traffic from Facebook, it hasn't stopped them investigating Facebook's practises.

toasterlovin 7y ago
Facebook is an adversary, though. Big difference.

ChrisSD 7y ago

Technically the journalists should have editorial independence and a firewall between them and marketing. So they could in theory investigate their own paper's revenue stream. Although in this case they wouldn't have to frame it in such stark terms because ad tech is widely used.

user17843 7y ago

there are state-sponsered media like BBC, etc.

Lio 7y ago
Even with the BBC though there are conflicts of interest. For example, when the BBC introduced compulsory logins for its iPlayer service so that it could, amongst other things, form political profiles on users just in case viewers decided to be in the audience of it's political shows such as Question Time. I distinctly remember hearing the BBC News team interviewing the BBC's own staff and coming to the consensus with themselves that they were "striking the right balance". There were no descenting voices on the programme and discussion about why creating political profiles for people might be a bad thing.
- Aethelwulf 7y ago
  Do you have a reference for that discussion?
  - Lio 7y ago
    Not to hand but I'm just having a search for it. I'm pretty sure it was PM with Eddy Mare on Radio Four and from memory would have been back in 2017.
  - michaelt 7y ago
    Radio 4's 'Feedback' [1] bills itself as "The programme that holds the BBC to account on behalf of the radio audience" and frequently interviews BBC employees. Obviously there are fraught incentives from them paying for their own criticism. Not sure cancelling the program would improve the situation though. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/episodes/downloads https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/episodes/downloads

moviuro 7y ago

Le Canard Enchaîné disagrees [0]. Still stuck in the old ways of paper printing though. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9

souterrain 7y ago
“Stuck” may not be the best word for a profitable journalism company that ensures its readers that they aren’t being tracked nor individually manipulated. Are there any digital news outfits that don’t subject their paying readers to unethical (IMHO) advertising? If no, I’ll continue to read via dead trees.