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So that probably makes me part of a group composed of several hundreds of other visitors who exhibited the same behavior. I fail to see how that violates my pri

So that probably makes me part of a group composed of several hundreds of other visitors who exhibited the same behavior. I fail to see how that violates my privacy. You'd probably learn a lot more about me by watching me walk from my office to the parking lot.

Barrin92 7y ago
>You'd probably learn a lot more about me by watching me walk from my office to the parking lot. well I don't really expect the newspaper that I read to watch me walk from my place of work to the parking lot. In fact I don't want them to watch me at all because I don't expect newspapers to be in the surveillance business. When I buy a newspaper at a store the guy behind the counter doesn't follow me three blocks to figure out how I drink my coffee at the coffeeshop, yet curiously enough this is how the internet works, everyhwere
- spiderfarmer 7y ago
  > When I buy a newspaper at a store the guy behind the counter doesn't follow me three blocks to figure out how I drink my coffee at the coffeeshop, yet curiously enough this is how the internet works, everyhwere But if you keep returning to the same news stand, he'll probably reach for the newspaper you like when he sees you coming. This is the equivalent of what the Washington Post does now. Not following you to the coffeeshop like the ad tech of today.
  - Barrin92 7y ago
    I don't object to a business or individual I interact with to getting to know my preferences better, that's inevitable and a good thing. What he doesn't do however is commodify my personal information and sell it to third parties and advertisement agencies so that they in turn can try to manipulate me and show me stuff I don't want, and I also suspect no newspaper vendor runs a high tech operation in the basement that, without my explicit knowledge runs some sort of panopticon like experiment on my personal data. Do you know what I'd really like to see? A sort of frame in frame of what the algorithm sees that tracks me while reading a Wapo article, directly shown to the reader. It'd be interesting to see how people would react if they were aware of how exactly they're being followed around and analysed.
    - spiderfarmer 7y ago
      >What he doesn't do however is commodify my personal information and sell it to third parties and advertisement agencies so that they in turn can try to manipulate me and show me stuff I don't want, and I also suspect no newspaper vendor runs a high tech operation in the basement that, without my explicit knowledge runs some sort of panopticon like experiment on my personal data. Where in the article do you see that WaPo does this? I was under the impression that this is WaPo-only data, collected by WaPo and used by WaPo. Too sell advertising space, yes. But that's because you're not paying them directly. >Do you know what I'd really like to see? A sort of frame in frame of what the algorithm sees that tracks me while reading a Wapo article, directly shown to the reader. It'd be interesting to see how people would react if they were aware of how exactly they're being followed around and analysed. I would love that too, but as long as it doesn't explicitly mention them by name I guess people don't care. Look at Facebook, here people never had any problem sharing really private information in exchange for free information and entertainment.
      - acheron 7y ago
        But that's because you're not paying them directly. No ads or tracking are disabled for subscribers. Paying them directly makes no difference.
        spiderfarmer 7y ago
        That's utterly stupid.
      - JohnFen 7y ago
        > as long as it doesn't explicitly mention them by name I guess people don't care. I should not be subjected to spying just because most of my neighbors don't mind being spied on.

Barrin92 7y ago

>You'd probably learn a lot more about me by watching me walk from my office to the parking lot. well I don't really expect the newspaper that I read to watch me walk from my place of work to the parking lot. In fact I don't want them to watch me at all because I don't expect newspapers to be in the surveillance business. When I buy a newspaper at a store the guy behind the counter doesn't follow me three blocks to figure out how I drink my coffee at the coffeeshop, yet curiously enough this is how the internet works, everyhwere

spiderfarmer 7y ago
> When I buy a newspaper at a store the guy behind the counter doesn't follow me three blocks to figure out how I drink my coffee at the coffeeshop, yet curiously enough this is how the internet works, everyhwere But if you keep returning to the same news stand, he'll probably reach for the newspaper you like when he sees you coming. This is the equivalent of what the Washington Post does now. Not following you to the coffeeshop like the ad tech of today.
- Barrin92 7y ago
  I don't object to a business or individual I interact with to getting to know my preferences better, that's inevitable and a good thing. What he doesn't do however is commodify my personal information and sell it to third parties and advertisement agencies so that they in turn can try to manipulate me and show me stuff I don't want, and I also suspect no newspaper vendor runs a high tech operation in the basement that, without my explicit knowledge runs some sort of panopticon like experiment on my personal data. Do you know what I'd really like to see? A sort of frame in frame of what the algorithm sees that tracks me while reading a Wapo article, directly shown to the reader. It'd be interesting to see how people would react if they were aware of how exactly they're being followed around and analysed.
  - spiderfarmer 7y ago
    >What he doesn't do however is commodify my personal information and sell it to third parties and advertisement agencies so that they in turn can try to manipulate me and show me stuff I don't want, and I also suspect no newspaper vendor runs a high tech operation in the basement that, without my explicit knowledge runs some sort of panopticon like experiment on my personal data. Where in the article do you see that WaPo does this? I was under the impression that this is WaPo-only data, collected by WaPo and used by WaPo. Too sell advertising space, yes. But that's because you're not paying them directly. >Do you know what I'd really like to see? A sort of frame in frame of what the algorithm sees that tracks me while reading a Wapo article, directly shown to the reader. It'd be interesting to see how people would react if they were aware of how exactly they're being followed around and analysed. I would love that too, but as long as it doesn't explicitly mention them by name I guess people don't care. Look at Facebook, here people never had any problem sharing really private information in exchange for free information and entertainment.
    - acheron 7y ago
      But that's because you're not paying them directly. No ads or tracking are disabled for subscribers. Paying them directly makes no difference.
      - spiderfarmer 7y ago
        That's utterly stupid.
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > as long as it doesn't explicitly mention them by name I guess people don't care. I should not be subjected to spying just because most of my neighbors don't mind being spied on.