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A lot of Gabfolk seem to want the freedom of speech while directly denying others' freedom to not listen to what they say. That's... a literal lack of consequen
by phoe-krk 7y ago
A lot of Gabfolk seem to want the freedom of speech while directly denying others' freedom to not listen to what they say. That's... a literal lack of consequence in their train of thought, to put it lightly.
Gab is free to speak everything they speak: yayyyyy that is the right way we are indestructible
F-Droid is free to remove their app: what the fuck do these <a paragraph of notmentionworthy stuff here> this is unlawful and illegal and mandates prison
And when it comes to "not all Gab people are like that": these Gab users don't seem to perform much action against the harassers that exist on that platform - contrary to many other places on the Internet, whose communities actually do something about the hate speech problem.
- Semaphor 7y agoYeah, from what I can see this is some controversy drummed up by Gab-supporters because F-Droid refuses to protect their feelings. At least nothing I can find online refutes that.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoThere's nothing about allowing Gab apps on F-Droid that denies anybody "the right not to hear something". Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab.
- phoe-krk 7y agoThe removal of Gab app from F-Droid is precisely exercising of the freedom of the right not to hear something. Gab is just like any other Fediverse client - with an important difference. To show it, let's use an example: for instance, Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is the elephant in the room that hardly anyone talks about. Free speech, free speech, but why is Gab so proud of performing and/or tolerating gestures that actively harm other people? Gab, as a company, focuses on monetizing hate speech that it propagates via free speech. That's what I called the abuse of free speech previously in the discussion. Since Gab is a corporate instance and access is offered for free, then I am the product, even if I'm just a number in their user count; it means that if I join Gab, I help Gab in its goals, also in the one that I stated above. I do not want to do this, and I consider other people who stay there complicit or supportive of that behaviour. If they were not okay with what Gab does, they would not stay there.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoNothing you just said contradicts or even really attempts to contradict my very simple statement.
- phoe-krk 7y ago> Just don't install the app, and you won't see what people post on Gab. False. Gab recently became Activity-Pub compatible by forking Mastodon code, so now either your Fediverse instance's administrator or you must ban what Gab people post. So, obviously, you can see what Gab people say even without installing the app, which contradicts your implication.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoAgain, nothing about hosting Gab apps forces you to install them and be exposed to content from Gab. You still fail to address my point.
- panpanna 7y agoI think you are deliberately missing the point of all this. Fdroid does not want to promote something that goes against their believes. If you love hate speech hiding behind "oh, but of free speech!" nothing forces you to use their store. See, that argument goes both ways.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoI'm not missing any point.
- RickSanchez2600 7y agoGab allows Free Speech and does not have a code of conduct or ban or censor anyone. They claim this is freedom and the code of conduct is fascism. Anyone who writes a racist comment usually gets called out on it and called an idiot and mocked anyway on Gab. You cannot have both free speech and a code of conduct at the same time. You either allow everything or censor and ban things to a degree. Most of these racist comments are made by teenagers who think the N-word is funny and trolling people. So they post it over and over again.
- RickSanchez2600 7y agoIt is more of a denial of service for Gab because they allow anything on their site instead of policing it like Hacker News here and having a code of conduct. Gab went to Mastodon to be part of the federated universe but federated apps block their URL now.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoA synonym for a denial of service on a platform is a ban.
- zaarn 7y agoThe fediverse is not a platform but a set of protocols. Nobody can force you to federate with an instance any more than they should be coerced to listen to anyone's speech.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoThe issue is F-Droid not the fediverse.
- zaarn 7y agoF-Droid isn't a platform either, you can run your own repository where free speech is priority if you want and offer your own version of F-Droid that comes with your repository compiled in as default. F-Droid too is just a set of protocols. The default app is open source as well and you're free to modify it if you want.
- SuperNinKenDo 7y agoI dunno why you're so committed to not calling a ban a ban. Of course, I have theories. Call a spade a spade mate.
- zaarn 7y ago