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A little off-topic but how does that work? Is 'it' a magic variable referring to the first argument? Never seen magic variables that blend into lambdas like tha

A little off-topic but how does that work? Is 'it' a magic variable referring to the first argument? Never seen magic variables that blend into lambdas like that before... would've expected $1 or something like that.

kragen 7y ago
Yeah, a bit of PG’s Arc influence in the wild.
- riffraff 7y ago
  I believe groovy made this popular rather than arc, and it's likely where kotlin's come from, due to being in the java ecosystem.
  - jnordwick 7y ago
    Most apl deviatives (j, k, q, a) all had implicit arguments for functions that didn't explicitly declare them (up to 3: x, y, and z). Probably before then too.
    - kragen 7y ago
      Dyalog APL too, but none of them call the implicit argument "it".
  - kragen 7y ago
    Groovy is from 2003. PG keynoted PyCon in 2003 talking about his progress on Arc: http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html. He had been talking about Arc online for a couple of years at that point, including in particular the convenience of "anaphoric macros" that defined the identifier "it" as an implicit argument. (He'd also written about that more at length in the 1990s in On Lisp, but many more people became acquainted with his language-design ideas in the 2001–2003 period, thanks to Lightweight Languages and his increasingly popular series of essays.)
    - earthboundkid 7y ago
      But surely Perl's $_ was way more influential than an obscure PG talk. I was reading PG way back in 2004, and I had never heard of anaphoric macros until now.
      - kragen 7y ago
        Wait, you think that, in the context of programming language design, a PyCon keynote is an obscure talk? I don't know what to say about that. It might be possible for you to be more wrong, but it would be very challenging. Anyway, I'm talking specifically about the use of the identifier "it" in Kotlin, not implicitly or contextually defined identifiers in general, which are indeed a much more widespread concept, embracing Perl's $_ and @_, awk's $0 (and for that matter $1 and $fieldnumber and so on), Dyalog APL's α and ω, Smalltalk's "self", C++'s "this", dynamically-scoped variables in general, and for that matter de Bruijn numbering.
        earthboundkid 7y ago
        > a PyCon keynote is an obscure talk Compared to the existence of Perl, yes. Anyone who does any amount of Perl learns that $_ is the implicit argument ("like 'it'") to most functions. It's pretty much one of Perl's main deals. The talk has about 100K views on YouTube, which is pretty good, but Perl is in another league.
  - vorg 7y ago
    Too bad Apache Groovy itself didn't remain popular after popularizing the name "it" for the much older idea of contextually-defined pronouns in programming languages. Using the names of pronouns in English (like "this" and "it") is easier for an English-speaking programmer to understand than symbols like "$1" or "_". But because of Groovy's bad project management, another programming language (Kotlin) is becoming widely known for introducing the "it" name.
sls 7y ago
The idea of anaphoric macros[1] is first found in Paul Graham's "On Lisp"[2] and is based on the linguistic concept of anaphora, an expression whose meaning depends on the meaning of another expression in its context. An anaphor (like "it") is such a referring term. I think if you like this idea, you will really like the book. Better still, you can download the pdf for free. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphoric_macro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphoric_macro [2] http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html
RhodesianHunter 7y ago
Inside of any lambda that takes a single parameter you can refer to the parameter as 'it'. If you prefer to name your parameters you can do so as well, it's just slightly more verbose: users.asSequence() .filter { user -> user.lastName.startsWith("S") } .sortedBy { user -> user.lastName } .take(3)

kragen 7y ago

Yeah, a bit of PG’s Arc influence in the wild.

riffraff 7y ago
I believe groovy made this popular rather than arc, and it's likely where kotlin's come from, due to being in the java ecosystem.
- jnordwick 7y ago
  Most apl deviatives (j, k, q, a) all had implicit arguments for functions that didn't explicitly declare them (up to 3: x, y, and z). Probably before then too.
  - kragen 7y ago
    Dyalog APL too, but none of them call the implicit argument "it".
- kragen 7y ago
  Groovy is from 2003. PG keynoted PyCon in 2003 talking about his progress on Arc: http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html. He had been talking about Arc online for a couple of years at that point, including in particular the convenience of "anaphoric macros" that defined the identifier "it" as an implicit argument. (He'd also written about that more at length in the 1990s in On Lisp, but many more people became acquainted with his language-design ideas in the 2001–2003 period, thanks to Lightweight Languages and his increasingly popular series of essays.)
  - earthboundkid 7y ago
    But surely Perl's $_ was way more influential than an obscure PG talk. I was reading PG way back in 2004, and I had never heard of anaphoric macros until now.
    - kragen 7y ago
      Wait, you think that, in the context of programming language design, a PyCon keynote is an obscure talk? I don't know what to say about that. It might be possible for you to be more wrong, but it would be very challenging. Anyway, I'm talking specifically about the use of the identifier "it" in Kotlin, not implicitly or contextually defined identifiers in general, which are indeed a much more widespread concept, embracing Perl's $_ and @_, awk's $0 (and for that matter $1 and $fieldnumber and so on), Dyalog APL's α and ω, Smalltalk's "self", C++'s "this", dynamically-scoped variables in general, and for that matter de Bruijn numbering.
      - earthboundkid 7y ago
        > a PyCon keynote is an obscure talk Compared to the existence of Perl, yes. Anyone who does any amount of Perl learns that $_ is the implicit argument ("like 'it'") to most functions. It's pretty much one of Perl's main deals. The talk has about 100K views on YouTube, which is pretty good, but Perl is in another league.
- vorg 7y ago
  Too bad Apache Groovy itself didn't remain popular after popularizing the name "it" for the much older idea of contextually-defined pronouns in programming languages. Using the names of pronouns in English (like "this" and "it") is easier for an English-speaking programmer to understand than symbols like "$1" or "_". But because of Groovy's bad project management, another programming language (Kotlin) is becoming widely known for introducing the "it" name.

sls 7y ago

The idea of anaphoric macros[1] is first found in Paul Graham's "On Lisp"[2] and is based on the linguistic concept of anaphora, an expression whose meaning depends on the meaning of another expression in its context. An anaphor (like "it") is such a referring term. I think if you like this idea, you will really like the book. Better still, you can download the pdf for free. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphoric_macro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphoric_macro [2] http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html

RhodesianHunter 7y ago

Inside of any lambda that takes a single parameter you can refer to the parameter as 'it'. If you prefer to name your parameters you can do so as well, it's just slightly more verbose: users.asSequence() .filter { user -> user.lastName.startsWith("S") } .sortedBy { user -> user.lastName } .take(3)