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Denmark is so small that traveling one hour in any direction is likely to either put you in the ocean, or in another country. Or maybe put you through the ocea

Denmark is so small that traveling one hour in any direction is likely to either put you in the ocean, or in another country. Or maybe put you through the ocean and then into another country.

freddie_mercury 7y ago
"It takes four hours and 21 minutes by train from Copenhagen to the northern city of Aalborg, a distance of 258 miles" Was it really necessary to try to make a clever comment based on the headline alone? Did that advance the discussion and make us all smarter, better people in some way?
- bradknowles 7y ago
  My point was that Denmark is a very small country, and the solutions used there might be interesting for certain small cases, but may be difficult to generalize for larger cases. I lived in Brussels, Belgium for almost eight years, and they have many of the same issues with regards to scale.
  - ant6n 7y ago
    Brussels has international high speed trains to London, Paris, Amsterdam, Cologne.
- easytiger 7y ago
  It takes four hours because they are on different Islands that aren't near each other or connected well. You are insinuating that it is just a slow train. There isn't much you can do other than spend tens of billions building a bridge or tunnel. Cars often get the ferry to make that journey. A train has to travel in the opposite direction, across several islands and then back up. 4 hours is pretty good considering that. Even then there is so little demand for this journey it is infrequent. https://goo.gl/maps/SZeteqJRc1ng49go8 https://goo.gl/maps/SZeteqJRc1ng49go8
  - LeonidasXIV 7y ago
    > There isn't much you can do other than spend tens of billions building a bridge or tunnel. Cars often get the ferry to make that journey. There is a precedent for taking a train on the ferry [0]. Sure, a tunnel is preferable and it would've been constructed but the German authorities were dragging their feet for years[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_Fixed_Link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_Fixed_Link
  - oposa 7y ago
    Gothenburg to Stockholm is longer and takes 3 hours by train, and that is with a train from 1990. That is of course the prime route in Sweden, but it still isn't fast.
  - 24gttghh 7y ago
    Actually, it seems to only take 2h:50min by train Copenhagen to Aarhus[0], while by car it takes 3 hours with the ferry from Sjællands Odde to Aarhus[1]. [0]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@55.7258931,9.9314748,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4652533c5c803d23:0x4dd7edde69467b8!2m2!1d12.5683372!2d55.6760968!1m5!1m1!1s0x464c4cb15397788b:0x8c4dd7d9912ea2af!2m2!1d10.203921!2d56.162939!3e3 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@... [1]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@55.7279206,9.9425642,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4652533c5c803d23:0x4dd7edde69467b8!2m2!1d12.5683372!2d55.6760968!1m5!1m1!1s0x464c4cb15397788b:0x8c4dd7d9912ea2af!2m2!1d10.203921!2d56.162939!3e0 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@...
oposa 7y ago
Unfortunately that is mostly the ocean. It takes around 3 hours to get through Denmark between Sweden and Germany. You could probably double that if you wanted to traverse Denmark. Three decades between the Øresund Bridge and the Fehmarn Belt Fixed Link is a bit ridiculous to be honest. Maybe the countries can't support more, but I don't think one should expect to do well going that pace.
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
It's hard to actually drive straight in any direction unless you have a tank but if you could that is probably pretty accurate.

Denmark is so small that traveling one hour in any direction is likely to either put you in the ocean, or in another country. Or maybe put you through the ocean and then into another country.

freddie_mercury 7y ago

"It takes four hours and 21 minutes by train from Copenhagen to the northern city of Aalborg, a distance of 258 miles" Was it really necessary to try to make a clever comment based on the headline alone? Did that advance the discussion and make us all smarter, better people in some way?

bradknowles 7y ago
My point was that Denmark is a very small country, and the solutions used there might be interesting for certain small cases, but may be difficult to generalize for larger cases. I lived in Brussels, Belgium for almost eight years, and they have many of the same issues with regards to scale.
- ant6n 7y ago
  Brussels has international high speed trains to London, Paris, Amsterdam, Cologne.
easytiger 7y ago
It takes four hours because they are on different Islands that aren't near each other or connected well. You are insinuating that it is just a slow train. There isn't much you can do other than spend tens of billions building a bridge or tunnel. Cars often get the ferry to make that journey. A train has to travel in the opposite direction, across several islands and then back up. 4 hours is pretty good considering that. Even then there is so little demand for this journey it is infrequent. https://goo.gl/maps/SZeteqJRc1ng49go8 https://goo.gl/maps/SZeteqJRc1ng49go8
- LeonidasXIV 7y ago
  > There isn't much you can do other than spend tens of billions building a bridge or tunnel. Cars often get the ferry to make that journey. There is a precedent for taking a train on the ferry [0]. Sure, a tunnel is preferable and it would've been constructed but the German authorities were dragging their feet for years[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_Fixed_Link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_Fixed_Link
- oposa 7y ago
  Gothenburg to Stockholm is longer and takes 3 hours by train, and that is with a train from 1990. That is of course the prime route in Sweden, but it still isn't fast.
- 24gttghh 7y ago
  Actually, it seems to only take 2h:50min by train Copenhagen to Aarhus[0], while by car it takes 3 hours with the ferry from Sjællands Odde to Aarhus[1]. [0]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@55.7258931,9.9314748,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4652533c5c803d23:0x4dd7edde69467b8!2m2!1d12.5683372!2d55.6760968!1m5!1m1!1s0x464c4cb15397788b:0x8c4dd7d9912ea2af!2m2!1d10.203921!2d56.162939!3e3 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@... [1]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@55.7279206,9.9425642,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4652533c5c803d23:0x4dd7edde69467b8!2m2!1d12.5683372!2d55.6760968!1m5!1m1!1s0x464c4cb15397788b:0x8c4dd7d9912ea2af!2m2!1d10.203921!2d56.162939!3e0 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Copenhagen/Aarhus,+Denmark/@...

oposa 7y ago

Unfortunately that is mostly the ocean. It takes around 3 hours to get through Denmark between Sweden and Germany. You could probably double that if you wanted to traverse Denmark. Three decades between the Øresund Bridge and the Fehmarn Belt Fixed Link is a bit ridiculous to be honest. Maybe the countries can't support more, but I don't think one should expect to do well going that pace.

bryanrasmussen 7y ago

It's hard to actually drive straight in any direction unless you have a tank but if you could that is probably pretty accurate.