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Most of the people who are taking your fonts are also making a product. We understand the need to make a living and the difficulty of making a product. I hope y

by jzunit 7y ago

Most of the people who are taking your fonts are also making a product. We understand the need to make a living and the difficulty of making a product. I hope you get paid for what you do but you don't get to decide the market size for your product when it is a digital good. The market does. There is a market for paid specialty fonts used on a website. People should pay for that. However, there is not much of a market for paid fonts used in Sketch when developers and designers are testing out different concepts they MIGHT use in production. You complaining that you are failing to monetizing off that non-existent market is completely bonkers for me. The ground I stand on is reality. You're living in a fantasy land where musicians still get paid big dollars for records and where journalism is a lucrative career.

Brendinooo 7y ago
> You don't get to decide the market size for your product when it is a digital good. The market does. "It's easy for me to acquire content against the content creator's wishes, therefore I should dictate the market." > There is not much of a market for paid fonts used in Sketch when developers and designers are testing out different concepts they MIGHT use in production. Never said there was. There's an easy solution: don't take a font that doesn't belong to you. This all boils down to "I want something and don't want to pay what the creator thinks it's worth." It's disrespectful, and it's straight-up entitlement. Just don't use the font. Nobody owes you a particular typeface. > The ground I stand on is reality. The reality is that it's easy to do the wrong thing here, so you do it, then try to pretzel your way into thinking that it's not morally wrong. Think someone's overcharging? Then don't buy the product.
- jzunit 7y ago
  The reality is that most people like myself are continue to do this regardless of your morality rant. The problem is that your morality argument is based on licensing terms and the legal system. The internet has its own morality that is somewhat untethered to legality: use what you can get, pay for what you feel you should. You can claim that this violates copyright or morality but people vote with their clicks and git clones - there is nothing you can do to change that. And you can scream and write these type of blog posts all you want but really it just ads to the Streisand effect. You think this blog post net increased or decreased the awareness and use of github as a source of fonts?
  - Brendinooo 7y ago
    > The internet has its own morality that is somewhat untethered to legality: use what you can get, pay for what you feel you should. I see you chose more of a passive tone here, as though you're just a cog in the machine, totally helpless and unable to take action on your own. The Internet is what people make of it, in part based on the sum of individual choices. > And you can scream Not screaming. > it just ads to the Streisand effect Possibly. Maybe it alerts GitHub devs to the problem and they try to come up with a solve. If font creators read it, they can work with repo owners to get things in order. For my part, it pointed out a problem that I can take steps to mitigate in the future with my own repos. Anyways, obviously I can't stop you or anyone else from taking digital goods at will. But in part, I wish that people would be more transparent about their motives instead of talking themselves into thinking that they're not actually doing something wrong. Just say "I take things that don't belong to me because I deserve to have them, it's easy to do so, and I won't get in trouble". At least it'd be an honest assessment.

by jzunit 7y ago

Brendinooo 7y ago

> You don't get to decide the market size for your product when it is a digital good. The market does. "It's easy for me to acquire content against the content creator's wishes, therefore I should dictate the market." > There is not much of a market for paid fonts used in Sketch when developers and designers are testing out different concepts they MIGHT use in production. Never said there was. There's an easy solution: don't take a font that doesn't belong to you. This all boils down to "I want something and don't want to pay what the creator thinks it's worth." It's disrespectful, and it's straight-up entitlement. Just don't use the font. Nobody owes you a particular typeface. > The ground I stand on is reality. The reality is that it's easy to do the wrong thing here, so you do it, then try to pretzel your way into thinking that it's not morally wrong. Think someone's overcharging? Then don't buy the product.

jzunit 7y ago
The reality is that most people like myself are continue to do this regardless of your morality rant. The problem is that your morality argument is based on licensing terms and the legal system. The internet has its own morality that is somewhat untethered to legality: use what you can get, pay for what you feel you should. You can claim that this violates copyright or morality but people vote with their clicks and git clones - there is nothing you can do to change that. And you can scream and write these type of blog posts all you want but really it just ads to the Streisand effect. You think this blog post net increased or decreased the awareness and use of github as a source of fonts?
- Brendinooo 7y ago
  > The internet has its own morality that is somewhat untethered to legality: use what you can get, pay for what you feel you should. I see you chose more of a passive tone here, as though you're just a cog in the machine, totally helpless and unable to take action on your own. The Internet is what people make of it, in part based on the sum of individual choices. > And you can scream Not screaming. > it just ads to the Streisand effect Possibly. Maybe it alerts GitHub devs to the problem and they try to come up with a solve. If font creators read it, they can work with repo owners to get things in order. For my part, it pointed out a problem that I can take steps to mitigate in the future with my own repos. Anyways, obviously I can't stop you or anyone else from taking digital goods at will. But in part, I wish that people would be more transparent about their motives instead of talking themselves into thinking that they're not actually doing something wrong. Just say "I take things that don't belong to me because I deserve to have them, it's easy to do so, and I won't get in trouble". At least it'd be an honest assessment.