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I think a lot of it has to do with the original audience being largely composed of the "burn capitalism to the ground" types of folks, who still feel that way,

I think a lot of it has to do with the original audience being largely composed of the "burn capitalism to the ground" types of folks, who still feel that way, whilst the series itself is showing the negative ramifications of those actions. Folks want to live in a fantasy where they save the world that they feel so much pain in, and they can't stomach the idea that their pain is a product of their own mind rather than the world in which they reside where so many others are happily living their lives.

barrkel 7y ago
That's not right either. The economy, and people's place in the whole pecking order, isn't under anyone's control, really. People who are on the losing end want to change the system; sometimes their pattern-recognition sees conspiracies, or lets them believe in stories about how the system is oppressing them, but their responses don't necessarily lead to a better system. That doesn't mean that they were wrong, that the system couldn't be better. Just that the stories that they used to make sense of the world didn't give them good tools to improve things. Most economic and social stories are like this - they become viral by being simple enough for a lot of people to understand, but fundamentally the whole system has feedback loops and second and third order effects dominate when people try to change the system. There aren't any simple solutions, but simple solutions helped by simple stories are getting a lot of traction these days, on both left and right ends of the political spectrum. Don't underestimate the power of self-delusion in justifying one's own position, if you think you're doing well. It's easy to start thinking that poor people deserve to be poor as a coping mechanism for the guilt you might otherwise feel.
- RandomInteger4 7y ago
  I don't mind the people who want to make the world a better place. I mind the people who want to do so without regard for the consequences and collateral damage of their actions, which can hurt those they think they're trying to help. I mind the radicals. They are dangerous. They don't have a sane mindset. Worse than them though are the ones like them who don't care about making the world a better place, but rather simply want to see the world burn, because they are angry. These are the people that manipulate good causes towards not so good ends.
pier25 7y ago
Mr Robot lost most of its audience[1] probably because Season 2 was super slow and focused more on the character than the hacking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mr._Robot_episodes#Ratings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mr._Robot_episodes#Rat...
wickedOne 7y ago
i think that's why people lost interest; most of them who liked series 1 weren't interested in series 2, while the people who might have liked series 2 weren't interested in series 1... flipping sides apparently didn't really pay off for mr robot. nevertheless i think mr robot set a higher standard for hacker related productions

barrkel 7y ago

That's not right either. The economy, and people's place in the whole pecking order, isn't under anyone's control, really. People who are on the losing end want to change the system; sometimes their pattern-recognition sees conspiracies, or lets them believe in stories about how the system is oppressing them, but their responses don't necessarily lead to a better system. That doesn't mean that they were wrong, that the system couldn't be better. Just that the stories that they used to make sense of the world didn't give them good tools to improve things. Most economic and social stories are like this - they become viral by being simple enough for a lot of people to understand, but fundamentally the whole system has feedback loops and second and third order effects dominate when people try to change the system. There aren't any simple solutions, but simple solutions helped by simple stories are getting a lot of traction these days, on both left and right ends of the political spectrum. Don't underestimate the power of self-delusion in justifying one's own position, if you think you're doing well. It's easy to start thinking that poor people deserve to be poor as a coping mechanism for the guilt you might otherwise feel.

RandomInteger4 7y ago
I don't mind the people who want to make the world a better place. I mind the people who want to do so without regard for the consequences and collateral damage of their actions, which can hurt those they think they're trying to help. I mind the radicals. They are dangerous. They don't have a sane mindset. Worse than them though are the ones like them who don't care about making the world a better place, but rather simply want to see the world burn, because they are angry. These are the people that manipulate good causes towards not so good ends.

pier25 7y ago

Mr Robot lost most of its audience[1] probably because Season 2 was super slow and focused more on the character than the hacking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mr._Robot_episodes#Ratings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mr._Robot_episodes#Rat...

wickedOne 7y ago

i think that's why people lost interest; most of them who liked series 1 weren't interested in series 2, while the people who might have liked series 2 weren't interested in series 1... flipping sides apparently didn't really pay off for mr robot. nevertheless i think mr robot set a higher standard for hacker related productions