I have been digging into the pyramid docs and writing some toy apps with it trying to learn it, and I think that you will not be disappointed. I am confident t

I have been digging into the pyramid docs and writing some toy apps with it trying to learn it, and I think that you will not be disappointed. I am confident that turbogears / tosca widgets will be integrated in such a way that it is loosely coupled and will not get in your way if you do not want to use it. Spend some time reading the pyramid docs - it it totally agnostic for template engines, authentication/authorization, http session implementation, etc. very pluggable. I will say though, that at this point 1.0alpha8, a noob will probably get frustrated, but someone who has worked with pylons / repoze / sqlalchemy can connect the dots. Also, with every alpha release, you can also see the changes to the documentation, which is looking more like django docs (i.e. good) Django fills a certain niche and if it matches your problem, it is a no brainer. If you need a more flexible web framework, look at pyramid.