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That's super weird, T-Mobile is supposed to have simplified their plans to just the one like 65$ one with no restrictions. It's a big part of their pitch - "we'

That's super weird, T-Mobile is supposed to have simplified their plans to just the one like 65$ one with no restrictions. It's a big part of their pitch - "we're the no bullshit, no contract company," so I'm pretty disappointed to hear they're moving away from that.

beecat 7y ago
Yeah no contract, but if you don't formally cancel your month-to-month service they will send you to collections for the next months bill.
- komali2 7y ago
  Wait, like, formally cancel in what sense? I would expect if you wanted to cancel a service, you'd have to tell somebody about it?
- mikestew 7y ago
  I have to be missing something obvious, because without you letting them know, the only way I can figure for them to know not to bill you anymore is telepathy.
  - Talanes 7y ago
    Other No Contract carriers bill up front so they can just stop service if you stop paying.
deathanatos 7y ago
They were when I joined as a customer around ~2012. But in more recent years they make weird distinctions between tethered and non-tethered. My SO's phone has T-Mo's version of Android, and enabling tethering causes a visible phone-home interstitial. My phone is unlocked/has vanilla Android, so it doesn't. Our billing, IMO, is very not up-front about what our limits on tethered/not are. Generally, it hasn't mattered. Whatever our limits are, we're not hitting them. And it's annoying AF; there is no reason for a carrier to give a crap about tethered/not. Limit my bandwidth, cap the amount I can send, sure — I completely understand not wanting a customer dragging down the network —, but what does it matter what device generated the bits?
- abraae 7y ago
  > And it's annoying AF; there is no reason for a carrier to give a crap about tethered/not Put yourself in their shoes, and you'll appreciate their reasons. I was recently force to pay for a higher plan specifically to unlock tethering, which is important to us for backup, since we're in the hills on a crappy ADSL connection. Their reason is that it allows them to increase revenue.
  - deathanatos 7y ago
    They're charging for literally nothing. I get that that allows them to make more money, but charging someone for nothing generally makes that customer unhappy. That doesn't mean I should like it, but I do think most people have no idea that tethering is completely a feature of their phone; I do take things like that into account when choosing carriers. (It was one of the reasons I chose them to begin with! But alas, the deal was altered.)
    - zaroth 7y ago
      If they were “literally charging for nothing” then there would be nothing to discuss and no one would pay for it. Just because they are both packets over the network, they are different use cases and present a feature which can be charged for. If you don’t like it, switch to a different provider. If there isn’t one that meets this need, maybe there’s a market opening. If the market is anti-competitive and exploiting that and colluding to shut down this feature, complain to the FCC. If the FCC dismisses your valid complaint for political reasons, vote out the party which put them there. If you don’t have the votes to get the people in power to care about this issue and regulate against the monopoly which is colluding to overcharge for it, then deploy a few thousand bots to sow dissent on Twitter and... no wait, don’t do that last one.
      - feikname 7y ago
        > Just because they are both packets over the network, they are different use cases and present a feature which can be charged for. Charging people for different use case while the product is literally the same is one the most anti consumer things I can think about it, no idea why you think it's okay. Imagine a eletricity bill that had different prices if your vacumm cleaner was being used on the living room rather than say, a bedroom, I see it as simply absurd.
SllX 7y ago
It is a straightforward experience, having just bought a plan in May from T-Mobile, provided you are willing to accept that market-speak is the window dressing of Life in America and you are able to find a sales rep who is willing to switch from the corporate dialect to American English. I bought a $75/month “unlimited” plan (soft cap is 50GB before throttling according to the sales rep) and that price tag includes any taxes or fees in my local jurisdiction. It is $70/month with autopay turned on, because you get a $5/month discount. The hotspot would suck if I used it, but I don’t, and FaceTime Audio works out of the box, no setup process, which was what I wanted to hear.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Its not throttling. It’s deprioritization. If you aren’t in a congested area, you will get full speed throughout the month.
  - SllX 7y ago
    That isn’t the explanation I received, but if true, that actually sounds slightly better than what I bought. In practice, I expect what the sales rep said to remain effectively accurate because I live in a densely populated city.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      To be fair to wireless carriers, wireless is different than wired when it comes to bandwidth. Theoretically, if you throw enough money at infrastructure, you can allow everyone to have truly unlimited bandwidth at the advertised rates wired. Of course that would be cost prohibitive. Wireless is different. There is only so much bandwidth that you can have over a given frequency, only certain frequencies are available to each carrier, and only certain frequencies are conducive to cellular transmissions. For instance for years T-mobile has horrible reception indoors because of the spectrum they had. https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/mydatausage https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/mydatausage It looks like you’ve used 48GB or more of data overall in this bill cycle. After 50GB, you still get unlimited LTE data but may at times notice reduced speeds in areas with network congestion. In the vast majority of times and places, you will notice little if any difference. In the small number of times or locations where there’s network congestion, you may notice reduced data speeds. This experience is due to our data prioritization practice, which prioritizes customers who use more than 50GB of data in a single bill cycle after other customers. This practice helps to optimize overall network performance and maintain a quality service experience for as many customers as possible. Your data usage resets at the beginning of your next billing cycle, so this practice will only apply until that time.

beecat 7y ago

Yeah no contract, but if you don't formally cancel your month-to-month service they will send you to collections for the next months bill.

komali2 7y ago
Wait, like, formally cancel in what sense? I would expect if you wanted to cancel a service, you'd have to tell somebody about it?
mikestew 7y ago
I have to be missing something obvious, because without you letting them know, the only way I can figure for them to know not to bill you anymore is telepathy.
- Talanes 7y ago
  Other No Contract carriers bill up front so they can just stop service if you stop paying.

deathanatos 7y ago

They were when I joined as a customer around ~2012. But in more recent years they make weird distinctions between tethered and non-tethered. My SO's phone has T-Mo's version of Android, and enabling tethering causes a visible phone-home interstitial. My phone is unlocked/has vanilla Android, so it doesn't. Our billing, IMO, is very not up-front about what our limits on tethered/not are. Generally, it hasn't mattered. Whatever our limits are, we're not hitting them. And it's annoying AF; there is no reason for a carrier to give a crap about tethered/not. Limit my bandwidth, cap the amount I can send, sure — I completely understand not wanting a customer dragging down the network —, but what does it matter what device generated the bits?

abraae 7y ago
> And it's annoying AF; there is no reason for a carrier to give a crap about tethered/not Put yourself in their shoes, and you'll appreciate their reasons. I was recently force to pay for a higher plan specifically to unlock tethering, which is important to us for backup, since we're in the hills on a crappy ADSL connection. Their reason is that it allows them to increase revenue.
- deathanatos 7y ago
  They're charging for literally nothing. I get that that allows them to make more money, but charging someone for nothing generally makes that customer unhappy. That doesn't mean I should like it, but I do think most people have no idea that tethering is completely a feature of their phone; I do take things like that into account when choosing carriers. (It was one of the reasons I chose them to begin with! But alas, the deal was altered.)
  - zaroth 7y ago
    If they were “literally charging for nothing” then there would be nothing to discuss and no one would pay for it. Just because they are both packets over the network, they are different use cases and present a feature which can be charged for. If you don’t like it, switch to a different provider. If there isn’t one that meets this need, maybe there’s a market opening. If the market is anti-competitive and exploiting that and colluding to shut down this feature, complain to the FCC. If the FCC dismisses your valid complaint for political reasons, vote out the party which put them there. If you don’t have the votes to get the people in power to care about this issue and regulate against the monopoly which is colluding to overcharge for it, then deploy a few thousand bots to sow dissent on Twitter and... no wait, don’t do that last one.
    - feikname 7y ago
      > Just because they are both packets over the network, they are different use cases and present a feature which can be charged for. Charging people for different use case while the product is literally the same is one the most anti consumer things I can think about it, no idea why you think it's okay. Imagine a eletricity bill that had different prices if your vacumm cleaner was being used on the living room rather than say, a bedroom, I see it as simply absurd.

SllX 7y ago

It is a straightforward experience, having just bought a plan in May from T-Mobile, provided you are willing to accept that market-speak is the window dressing of Life in America and you are able to find a sales rep who is willing to switch from the corporate dialect to American English. I bought a $75/month “unlimited” plan (soft cap is 50GB before throttling according to the sales rep) and that price tag includes any taxes or fees in my local jurisdiction. It is $70/month with autopay turned on, because you get a $5/month discount. The hotspot would suck if I used it, but I don’t, and FaceTime Audio works out of the box, no setup process, which was what I wanted to hear.

scarface74 7y ago
Its not throttling. It’s deprioritization. If you aren’t in a congested area, you will get full speed throughout the month.
- SllX 7y ago
  That isn’t the explanation I received, but if true, that actually sounds slightly better than what I bought. In practice, I expect what the sales rep said to remain effectively accurate because I live in a densely populated city.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    To be fair to wireless carriers, wireless is different than wired when it comes to bandwidth. Theoretically, if you throw enough money at infrastructure, you can allow everyone to have truly unlimited bandwidth at the advertised rates wired. Of course that would be cost prohibitive. Wireless is different. There is only so much bandwidth that you can have over a given frequency, only certain frequencies are available to each carrier, and only certain frequencies are conducive to cellular transmissions. For instance for years T-mobile has horrible reception indoors because of the spectrum they had. https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/mydatausage https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/mydatausage It looks like you’ve used 48GB or more of data overall in this bill cycle. After 50GB, you still get unlimited LTE data but may at times notice reduced speeds in areas with network congestion. In the vast majority of times and places, you will notice little if any difference. In the small number of times or locations where there’s network congestion, you may notice reduced data speeds. This experience is due to our data prioritization practice, which prioritizes customers who use more than 50GB of data in a single bill cycle after other customers. This practice helps to optimize overall network performance and maintain a quality service experience for as many customers as possible. Your data usage resets at the beginning of your next billing cycle, so this practice will only apply until that time.