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The problem lays in the UI. Most of what a modern application does is provide a decent UI to interact with data on a remote server. Swing was a terrible UI libr

The problem lays in the UI. Most of what a modern application does is provide a decent UI to interact with data on a remote server. Swing was a terrible UI library. I never saw a java applet that wasn't ugly and clunky.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
And the completely non-native snowflake mobile-first slow-as-hell UIs of today's web are better?
- ScottFree 7y ago
  Yes. Presentation matters.
  - FpUser 7y ago
    I would disagree
    - deleted 7y ago
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- typon 7y ago
  Yes, a million times better.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    And this is why we can't have nice things.
    - ScottFree 7y ago
      What's your definition of "nice?" I've never heard anybody describe a java applet that way.
crznp 7y ago
IntelliJ? But I agree: HTML/CSS/JS is far easier (eg: threading) and generally results in a more polished experience.
- tracker1 7y ago
  IntelliJ: It's not horrible, but it isn't really good/pretty either.
pjmlp 7y ago
Swing is only bad for those that never bothered how to use it properly, by reading blogs and books like Filthy Rich Clients.
- ScottFree 7y ago
  You're biting hard on the 'true scotsman' fallacy. Ask the linux developers where that gets them. Is it the year of the linux desktop yet?
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    It would be if they bothered to create a single DE and did not have religious issues with driver issues, as proven by ChromeOS and Android. None of them have anything to do with lack of skill using Swing.
    - ScottFree 7y ago
      ChromeOS and Android also have good looking interfaces. > None of them have anything to do with lack of skill using Swing. Can you name me 10 swing apps that look good? I can do the same for the web and MacOS. I'm not sure I'd be able to name 10 for windows, but I can name at least two.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        A random picked number to somehow win Internet discussion points I guess. Anyway, InteliJ, SwingUI Weather app, any app using Substance, Alloy, JGoodies or Synthetica theme libraries.
        ScottFree 7y ago
        > A random picked number to somehow win Internet discussion points I guess. No need to be nasty. I chose 10 at random because it's a decent sample size without being too onerous for an online discussion. If I wanted to earn internet discussion points, I would have made it 10,000. I'll take a look at those and get back to you. I'm very curious. Unlike some commenters (not a jab at any particular person or even a particular site, just a general observation of commenters online), I like it when I'm proven wrong about something. I'd rather know than live in ignorance.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago

And the completely non-native snowflake mobile-first slow-as-hell UIs of today's web are better?

ScottFree 7y ago
Yes. Presentation matters.
- FpUser 7y ago
  I would disagree
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
typon 7y ago
Yes, a million times better.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  And this is why we can't have nice things.
  - ScottFree 7y ago
    What's your definition of "nice?" I've never heard anybody describe a java applet that way.

crznp 7y ago

IntelliJ? But I agree: HTML/CSS/JS is far easier (eg: threading) and generally results in a more polished experience.

tracker1 7y ago
IntelliJ: It's not horrible, but it isn't really good/pretty either.

pjmlp 7y ago

Swing is only bad for those that never bothered how to use it properly, by reading blogs and books like Filthy Rich Clients.

ScottFree 7y ago
You're biting hard on the 'true scotsman' fallacy. Ask the linux developers where that gets them. Is it the year of the linux desktop yet?
- pjmlp 7y ago
  It would be if they bothered to create a single DE and did not have religious issues with driver issues, as proven by ChromeOS and Android. None of them have anything to do with lack of skill using Swing.
  - ScottFree 7y ago
    ChromeOS and Android also have good looking interfaces. > None of them have anything to do with lack of skill using Swing. Can you name me 10 swing apps that look good? I can do the same for the web and MacOS. I'm not sure I'd be able to name 10 for windows, but I can name at least two.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      A random picked number to somehow win Internet discussion points I guess. Anyway, InteliJ, SwingUI Weather app, any app using Substance, Alloy, JGoodies or Synthetica theme libraries.
      - ScottFree 7y ago
        > A random picked number to somehow win Internet discussion points I guess. No need to be nasty. I chose 10 at random because it's a decent sample size without being too onerous for an online discussion. If I wanted to earn internet discussion points, I would have made it 10,000. I'll take a look at those and get back to you. I'm very curious. Unlike some commenters (not a jab at any particular person or even a particular site, just a general observation of commenters online), I like it when I'm proven wrong about something. I'd rather know than live in ignorance.