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Things are impossible till they aren’t. It’s not like we solved Go the board game, but we did build some killer AI which has now surpassed all human players. An

Things are impossible till they aren’t. It’s not like we solved Go the board game, but we did build some killer AI which has now surpassed all human players. And that was within a matter of years: first it was a fluid game of human intelligence impossible for a machine, then it was obvious machines could be better.. but look at this other thing humans are still better at.

beat 7y ago
Google's AlphaZero AI went from not knowing chess at all to beating the best current software (Stockfish) in mere hours. It's a whole new world out there.
- reroute1 7y ago
  For playing computer games maybe. Chess is such a simple proposition compared to real life and you are only comparing this AI against other AI...
  - beat 7y ago
    Stockfish isn't an AI, just an expert system. It was designed from the ground up to play chess. AlphaZero is generalized AI. It was designed to learn how to do things - like play chess. The fact that it easily beat a custom-designed expert system with only a few hours of learning time is incredible. It's a different order of complexity altogether. It may not be human intelligence, but it's a great deal closer to how humans function than how machines (like Stockfish) function.
mhermher 7y ago
So, some things are actually impossible, provably so. Like the suggestions above.
- chillacy 7y ago
  Yes but whether self driving cars falls into "provably impossible", I'm not so sure. Given squishy bags of meat can do it.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
mhermher's examples are 1) proven impossible, and 2) impossible until we get a completely different theory of physics, respectively. "Until they aren't" makes a nice glib dismissal, but is fails to address the actual impossibility that mhermher has pointed out. Now, neither of those examples is actually relevant to the topic at hand, namely, AIs driving cars. The question then is, what category are AI's driving cars in: The go-and-chess category, or the logically-or-physically-impossible category, or something in between? My guess is "something in between". But "until they aren't", while it may apply to that category, may still be "longer than your lifetime".
- chillacy 7y ago
  Yea not the best phrasing, you raise a better distinction. And longer than my lifetime is closer than "never". I don't believe that driving a vehicle is in a class of mathematical impossibilities.

beat 7y ago

Google's AlphaZero AI went from not knowing chess at all to beating the best current software (Stockfish) in mere hours. It's a whole new world out there.

reroute1 7y ago
For playing computer games maybe. Chess is such a simple proposition compared to real life and you are only comparing this AI against other AI...
- beat 7y ago
  Stockfish isn't an AI, just an expert system. It was designed from the ground up to play chess. AlphaZero is generalized AI. It was designed to learn how to do things - like play chess. The fact that it easily beat a custom-designed expert system with only a few hours of learning time is incredible. It's a different order of complexity altogether. It may not be human intelligence, but it's a great deal closer to how humans function than how machines (like Stockfish) function.

mhermher 7y ago

So, some things are actually impossible, provably so. Like the suggestions above.

chillacy 7y ago
Yes but whether self driving cars falls into "provably impossible", I'm not so sure. Given squishy bags of meat can do it.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

mhermher's examples are 1) proven impossible, and 2) impossible until we get a completely different theory of physics, respectively. "Until they aren't" makes a nice glib dismissal, but is fails to address the actual impossibility that mhermher has pointed out. Now, neither of those examples is actually relevant to the topic at hand, namely, AIs driving cars. The question then is, what category are AI's driving cars in: The go-and-chess category, or the logically-or-physically-impossible category, or something in between? My guess is "something in between". But "until they aren't", while it may apply to that category, may still be "longer than your lifetime".

chillacy 7y ago
Yea not the best phrasing, you raise a better distinction. And longer than my lifetime is closer than "never". I don't believe that driving a vehicle is in a class of mathematical impossibilities.