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This is a weird hill to want to die on. Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. Yes, caveats, for only the domains on which self-drivi

This is a weird hill to want to die on. Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. Yes, caveats, for only the domains on which self-driving has been well-trained.

rimliu 7y ago
Remove accidents caused by humans who were driving recklessly intentionally and I am not sure how the statistics will look.
JJMcJ 7y ago
Namely roaming around the meticulously mapped out streets of Mountain View and Sunnyvale at 25 miles an hour in daylight in good weather. Meticulously mapped - the location of curbs and the like are known within an inch or so.
Fins 7y ago
So, self-driving is safer for those specific circumstances where self-driving is safer? Well, sure. Not much surprise there. That's not very persuasive about self-driving being (or ever being) safer than humans at real world driving in general conditions. One could even argue that adding FSD to the mix for those ideal conditions will "condition", as it were, humans to suck even more at driving exactly when human input will be required.
random314 7y ago
Can you cite these statistics? Has any fsd car driven 1 million miles with no operator on the wheel?
6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
>Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. I don't know of any statistics saying so. I've seen plenty of stats like 'self-driving in easy conditions is safer than human-driving in typical conditions'
leetcrew 7y ago
it's my understanding that these cars can only drive without any human intervention in certain, somewhat ideal scenarios. I've never seen a direct comparison to humans driving in the same limited set of conditions. are the AVs still statistically safer in these circumstances?
gamblor956 7y ago
This is a weird hill to want to die on. Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. Yes, caveats, for only the domains on which self-driving has been well-trained. My point was that the statistics aren't even remotely comparable. Out of literally billions of miles driven daily across the US in all conditions, there are approximately 100 deaths nationwide. Each day, US drivers drive literally tens of thousands times more miles than all self-driving cars combined to date. There are at least 6 deaths attributable to SD cars so far...in the US, not including smaller accidents, despite driving only in optimal conditions. Scaled up per mile, self-driving cars are currently several magnitudes more dangerous than human cars.

This is a weird hill to want to die on. Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. Yes, caveats, for only the domains on which self-driving has been well-trained.

rimliu 7y ago

Remove accidents caused by humans who were driving recklessly intentionally and I am not sure how the statistics will look.

JJMcJ 7y ago

Namely roaming around the meticulously mapped out streets of Mountain View and Sunnyvale at 25 miles an hour in daylight in good weather. Meticulously mapped - the location of curbs and the like are known within an inch or so.

Fins 7y ago

So, self-driving is safer for those specific circumstances where self-driving is safer? Well, sure. Not much surprise there. That's not very persuasive about self-driving being (or ever being) safer than humans at real world driving in general conditions. One could even argue that adding FSD to the mix for those ideal conditions will "condition", as it were, humans to suck even more at driving exactly when human input will be required.

random314 7y ago

Can you cite these statistics? Has any fsd car driven 1 million miles with no operator on the wheel?

6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago

>Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. I don't know of any statistics saying so. I've seen plenty of stats like 'self-driving in easy conditions is safer than human-driving in typical conditions'

leetcrew 7y ago

it's my understanding that these cars can only drive without any human intervention in certain, somewhat ideal scenarios. I've never seen a direct comparison to humans driving in the same limited set of conditions. are the AVs still statistically safer in these circumstances?

gamblor956 7y ago

This is a weird hill to want to die on. Self-driving is currently statistically safer than human driving. Yes, caveats, for only the domains on which self-driving has been well-trained. My point was that the statistics aren't even remotely comparable. Out of literally billions of miles driven daily across the US in all conditions, there are approximately 100 deaths nationwide. Each day, US drivers drive literally tens of thousands times more miles than all self-driving cars combined to date. There are at least 6 deaths attributable to SD cars so far...in the US, not including smaller accidents, despite driving only in optimal conditions. Scaled up per mile, self-driving cars are currently several magnitudes more dangerous than human cars.