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We have multi player poker breakthrough so it seems possible. I don't think planning is the core issue, I think that's solvable in time, it's the hardware and r

We have multi player poker breakthrough so it seems possible. I don't think planning is the core issue, I think that's solvable in time, it's the hardware and reliable general perception that is the blocker

rimliu 7y ago
In poker, the computer knows, that none of the players will suddenly start playing chess instead of poker. On the road, the number of possible situations is way way way bigger.
- sandworm101 7y ago
  Not just bigger. Bigger can be fixed with more cpu time. It is a fundimentally different problem. Nobody has a good theoretical answer even with infinite cpu time. I say this while on a car ferry. Getting on this boat required me to navigate several strange road markings and obey a half-dozen hand gestures from staff, including several that were contrary to the painted lines. No AI is even contemplating car ferries.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    Right. And, sure, that's an edge case for most people. But even if such edge cases only crop up every now and then, you're now at the difference between a reliable automated door-to-door system and one that can drive you around most of the time but every now and then forces a hopefully sober/licensed/competent driver to get behind the wheel to take some actions. That's a huge difference. Maybe you can address it with some sort of remote OnStar-like system but now you're forcing a remote operator to jump into an unknown context and take actions that were too hard for the AI.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    It's not just car ferries. Accident scenes and construction zones sometimes require you to obey hand signals and ignore road markings. There aren't many car ferries around where I live. But there's plenty of construction...
    - sandworm101 7y ago
      Ever area had its little thing. They may be edge cases individually but edge cases, as a group, must be planned for.
- tlarkworthy 7y ago
  Just need to worry about car Dynamics and pedestrian locations. None of these things can teleport. The problem does have physics imposed limits.
yifanl 7y ago
Computer integration in poker works because we simultaneously upgraded the infrastructure to support computer players while upgrading the computer players. I don't think we will ever change road infrastructure in the same manner on any appreciable scale. (Hell, there's a pothole in front of my street that's been there for 5 years).

rimliu 7y ago

In poker, the computer knows, that none of the players will suddenly start playing chess instead of poker. On the road, the number of possible situations is way way way bigger.

sandworm101 7y ago
Not just bigger. Bigger can be fixed with more cpu time. It is a fundimentally different problem. Nobody has a good theoretical answer even with infinite cpu time. I say this while on a car ferry. Getting on this boat required me to navigate several strange road markings and obey a half-dozen hand gestures from staff, including several that were contrary to the painted lines. No AI is even contemplating car ferries.
- ghaff 7y ago
  Right. And, sure, that's an edge case for most people. But even if such edge cases only crop up every now and then, you're now at the difference between a reliable automated door-to-door system and one that can drive you around most of the time but every now and then forces a hopefully sober/licensed/competent driver to get behind the wheel to take some actions. That's a huge difference. Maybe you can address it with some sort of remote OnStar-like system but now you're forcing a remote operator to jump into an unknown context and take actions that were too hard for the AI.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  It's not just car ferries. Accident scenes and construction zones sometimes require you to obey hand signals and ignore road markings. There aren't many car ferries around where I live. But there's plenty of construction...
  - sandworm101 7y ago
    Ever area had its little thing. They may be edge cases individually but edge cases, as a group, must be planned for.
tlarkworthy 7y ago
Just need to worry about car Dynamics and pedestrian locations. None of these things can teleport. The problem does have physics imposed limits.

yifanl 7y ago

Computer integration in poker works because we simultaneously upgraded the infrastructure to support computer players while upgrading the computer players. I don't think we will ever change road infrastructure in the same manner on any appreciable scale. (Hell, there's a pothole in front of my street that's been there for 5 years).