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So let's say I buy a quiet home in a peaceful neighborhood. I've risked my life savings on this home so I can get work done, meditate, relax and not hear barkin

So let's say I buy a quiet home in a peaceful neighborhood. I've risked my life savings on this home so I can get work done, meditate, relax and not hear barking dogs, children scream, etc.. So you're saying I don't have the right to want those things? That new people coming into that kind of environment should be allowed to, even though there is nearly literally anywhere else in the f-ing world they can go. I'm not saying you, in particular, are going to bother me, you sound quiet - but why should I give up on upholding the social contracts the neighborhood has established for decades for a rowdy party animals to blast through every weekend?

impendia 7y ago
I certainly believe you have the right to want those things. And moreover, there are noise ordinances and related laws, and I do believe those should be enforced. But, I also believe that new people coming into that kind of environment should be allowed to. People step on each other's toes, and it can be annoying. But I still don't believe that people have the right to keep other people out.
- Symbiote 7y ago
  How do I get a noise ordinance enforced, when the noise is 2 minutes of people shouting and clattering luggage down the stairs at 4am on Monday, to get their cheap Ryanair flight home? My neighbours are much more careful at 4am, and each might only leave like this a couple of times a year. An apartment on AirBnB has this pretty much every week.
  - impendia 7y ago
    > How do I get a noise ordinance enforced You don't of course. Anyone shouting at 4am is being exceedingly rude; if there's any social contract in place, then they certainly aren't honoring their end of it. Under these circumstances, I certainly wouldn't blame you for advocating to your municipal government that they crack down on AirBnBs. I would just hope that that government try to find some way to simultaneously keep the needs of visitors in mind. Maybe there is not a true win-win scenario here, but the status quo doesn't seem to be working well for anyone.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > And moreover, there are noise ordinances and related laws, and I do believe those should be enforced. They generally are. But it's not practical to enforce them in a condition of a lot of short-term rentals, where people rotate on a weekly basis. Before AirBnB, that might not have been a problem, but now that's trivially easy to become a pirate hotel anywhere in the world, people are pushing to ban such rentals in residential areas, because it's the only way to make the problem go away. That's another negative side effect right here. Occasional vacation sublet by a thoughtful homeowner doesn't hurt anybody. But those cases become collateral damage of the effort to fight off AirBnB's pirate hotels.
  - impendia 7y ago
    > it's the only way to make the problem go away. You could be right. I would like to think that there is some option which would make everyone more-or-less happy, but it could be that I'm being too optimistic.

impendia 7y ago

I certainly believe you have the right to want those things. And moreover, there are noise ordinances and related laws, and I do believe those should be enforced. But, I also believe that new people coming into that kind of environment should be allowed to. People step on each other's toes, and it can be annoying. But I still don't believe that people have the right to keep other people out.

Symbiote 7y ago
How do I get a noise ordinance enforced, when the noise is 2 minutes of people shouting and clattering luggage down the stairs at 4am on Monday, to get their cheap Ryanair flight home? My neighbours are much more careful at 4am, and each might only leave like this a couple of times a year. An apartment on AirBnB has this pretty much every week.
- impendia 7y ago
  > How do I get a noise ordinance enforced You don't of course. Anyone shouting at 4am is being exceedingly rude; if there's any social contract in place, then they certainly aren't honoring their end of it. Under these circumstances, I certainly wouldn't blame you for advocating to your municipal government that they crack down on AirBnBs. I would just hope that that government try to find some way to simultaneously keep the needs of visitors in mind. Maybe there is not a true win-win scenario here, but the status quo doesn't seem to be working well for anyone.
TeMPOraL 7y ago
> And moreover, there are noise ordinances and related laws, and I do believe those should be enforced. They generally are. But it's not practical to enforce them in a condition of a lot of short-term rentals, where people rotate on a weekly basis. Before AirBnB, that might not have been a problem, but now that's trivially easy to become a pirate hotel anywhere in the world, people are pushing to ban such rentals in residential areas, because it's the only way to make the problem go away. That's another negative side effect right here. Occasional vacation sublet by a thoughtful homeowner doesn't hurt anybody. But those cases become collateral damage of the effort to fight off AirBnB's pirate hotels.
- impendia 7y ago
  > it's the only way to make the problem go away. You could be right. I would like to think that there is some option which would make everyone more-or-less happy, but it could be that I'm being too optimistic.