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The scariest word a law could ever have is "Fair". I truly believe that if Americans understood how the visa process worked, they would be appalled, even if th

The scariest word a law could ever have is "Fair". I truly believe that if Americans understood how the visa process worked, they would be appalled, even if they are hard nationalists. It's simply not rule of law, its crazy expensive and its just plain dumb. It would be easier to propose a special tax to foreigners that goes directly into the pockets of americans and remove all the restrictions altogether. Foreigners would gladly accept a 10% surtax for alleviating the ridiculousness of immigration law. Add: foreigners already pay surtaxes, but get no credit for them.

AlexTWithBeard 7y ago
Your prayers have been heard by the UK government! https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-much-pay https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-mu...
- jdsully 7y ago
  To any American immigrating to the UK £400 for healthcare is a steal.
  - mywittyname 7y ago
    What's amazing is I figured this was £400 per month and I agreed. Then I clicked the link and discovered it was per year. Socialized medicine can't get here fast enough.
blunte 7y ago
The titles of bills are largely irrelevant, especially in the last decade or so. As for taxing incoming foreigners to give to Americans, that's not what most Americans want. What most Americans want (and i don't mean the white nationalists) is to not lose their job to a same or less skilled person for less pay. Having fully experienced the dotcom implosion and subsequent H1B and outsourcing fest, I can attest that the only two groups that gained were the tech companies who lowered their expenses and the handlers/harvesters who brought people from their countries to the US, kept half of their hourly wage, and packed them 6+ to an apartment.
- conanbatt 7y ago
  > As for taxing incoming foreigners to give to Americans, that's not what most Americans want. What most Americans want (and i don't mean the white nationalists) is to not lose their job to a same or less skilled person for less pay. I'm willing to wager against this: normally people have a negative reaction to the idea that foreigners should be second-rate citizens with higher taxation systems, less rights and less benefits, but thats exactly the system you have now + uncertainty. I think a deal where explicitly foreigners can't get any state benefit and have a special foreign tax in exchange of freer immigration would be welcome by all citizens, regardless of rhetoric. > I can attest that the only two groups that gained were the tech companies who lowered their expenses and the handlers/harvesters who brought people from their countries to the US, kept half of their hourly wage, and packed them 6+ to an apartment. If programming became a job as menial as washing dishes in a kitchen, why would you want americans to do it.
merpnderp 7y ago
Yeah, I've never met a person, who when the immigration system is described to them, isn't utterly dumbfounded. Even people who want immigration of any type curtailed, believe our system is cruel and senseless.

AlexTWithBeard 7y ago

Your prayers have been heard by the UK government! https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-much-pay https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-mu...

jdsully 7y ago
To any American immigrating to the UK £400 for healthcare is a steal.
- mywittyname 7y ago
  What's amazing is I figured this was £400 per month and I agreed. Then I clicked the link and discovered it was per year. Socialized medicine can't get here fast enough.

blunte 7y ago

The titles of bills are largely irrelevant, especially in the last decade or so. As for taxing incoming foreigners to give to Americans, that's not what most Americans want. What most Americans want (and i don't mean the white nationalists) is to not lose their job to a same or less skilled person for less pay. Having fully experienced the dotcom implosion and subsequent H1B and outsourcing fest, I can attest that the only two groups that gained were the tech companies who lowered their expenses and the handlers/harvesters who brought people from their countries to the US, kept half of their hourly wage, and packed them 6+ to an apartment.

conanbatt 7y ago
> As for taxing incoming foreigners to give to Americans, that's not what most Americans want. What most Americans want (and i don't mean the white nationalists) is to not lose their job to a same or less skilled person for less pay. I'm willing to wager against this: normally people have a negative reaction to the idea that foreigners should be second-rate citizens with higher taxation systems, less rights and less benefits, but thats exactly the system you have now + uncertainty. I think a deal where explicitly foreigners can't get any state benefit and have a special foreign tax in exchange of freer immigration would be welcome by all citizens, regardless of rhetoric. > I can attest that the only two groups that gained were the tech companies who lowered their expenses and the handlers/harvesters who brought people from their countries to the US, kept half of their hourly wage, and packed them 6+ to an apartment. If programming became a job as menial as washing dishes in a kitchen, why would you want americans to do it.

merpnderp 7y ago

Yeah, I've never met a person, who when the immigration system is described to them, isn't utterly dumbfounded. Even people who want immigration of any type curtailed, believe our system is cruel and senseless.